@joncounts
Melbourne is often praised for its networks of off-road bike paths, but a LOT of them are shared.

One I use regularly along a train line was created by cyclists just using it over a long period until it became official. In the 80s & 90s it was rare to see many people walking on it, but as more & more flats have been built along the line, it now has dog walkers & maybe 20% of pedestrians have no clue. For the last few years there’s also always been some dangerous bit somewhere caused by the constant building of new apartments.

Locals fought for some separated paths when part of the line was elevated, but the design put the bike path directly in line with the station entrance, so you can guess how separated our separated path is.

Until there’s some critical mass of people designing this stuff that actually ride bikes, I doubt we’re going to get a good result.

@seanos > Until there’s some critical mass of people designing this stuff that actually ride bikes, I doubt we’re going to get a good result.

Absolutely. I expect you’re right. It’s one of those tricky situations where more people will bike if our roads are better designed, yet our roads won’t be better designed for bikes until more people bike.

I sense that we are inching in that direction in NZ although movement is slow and we’ll be stuck with our current designs for our new roads for many years.

@joncounts @seanos

> ....critical mass of people designing this stuff that actually ride bikes,

I am unsure.

The meat in the sandwich is the pedestrian, not the cyclists.

I know prominent cycle advocates I will not name who do not get that cycles are vehicles, they do not mix well with pedestrians at >10km/h

Pedestrians are not viewed as serious commuters...

As a pedestrians I want two things for bicycles shari g my footpath:

1. Use a bell when passing
2. 10km/h limit for the bikes