Jason Santa Maria

Signed up to use Adobe apps (begrudgingly) for a project and am plagued by these data access dialogs. Even when I click "Don't Allow" they just prompt again the next time I open an app.

This shit is so gross. I don't even know what the apps or Adobe is trying to do, but can't help but feel like it's something I don't want.

Web searches say the way to get rid of the prompts is to allow access đŸ«„

Feb 20 at 7:51pmWeb
Show threadErik VorhesFeb 20
@jasonsantamaria — fun, it keeps popping up for me even after I click “allow.”
Show threadJason Santa MariaFeb 20
@erikvorhes WTF 😭
Show threadErik VorhesFeb 20
@jasonsantamaria — basically my reaction! I don’t know why it’s not remembering. Hopefully someone is getting a promotion for any engagement metrics. đŸ€ź
Show threadnilsmielke ⁂Feb 20
@erikvorhes @jasonsantamaria 😳
Show threadTristen GrantFeb 20
@jasonsantamaria So its, allow Adobe to do what Adobe wants or have non-stop popups.
Show threadErikFeb 20
@jasonsantamaria Maybe a bug? Maybe macOS got a bit stricter with its permissions?
Show threadJason Santa MariaFeb 20
@letterror Maybe a bug? I've heard from others that even selecting "Allow" doesn't stop the behavior.
Show threadErikFeb 20
@jasonsantamaria Yes that was my experience. Apple is very precise with these “entitlements”. It’s annoying when it repeats like this, but I appreciate the os is bossy.
Show threaderin sparlingFeb 20
@letterror @jasonsantamaria have you tried adding “full disk access” on system settings / security and privacy?
Show threadJason Santa MariaFeb 20
@everyplace @letterror I was trying to avoid giving full disk access. Why does Adobe need that?
Show threaderin sparlingFeb 20
@jasonsantamaria @letterror Heh, that is a separate question. I think it's more the Apple sandbox, as you were indicating. Maybe Adobe is trying really hard to comply, so you're encouraged to use their cloud storage instead?!
Show threadJason Santa MariaFeb 20
@everyplace @letterror If so, I'm not a fan 😅
Show threadAndrej KrĂĄtkyFeb 21
@letterror @jasonsantamaria I also think it is an Apple bug. I get this with one system only – but not able to reproduce it on others. It happens with Adobe apps, but also Zoom, Tableau, and our own Fontstand app. We are definitely not trying to “access data from other apps”.
Show threadnilsmielke ⁂Feb 20
@jasonsantamaria Same here. They suck so much (of my energy).
Show threadJeff PorterFeb 20
@jasonsantamaria Tried quitting Creative Cloud?
Show threadJason Santa MariaFeb 20
@wordius I checked that too, but I never had it open, just the individual apps.
Show threadSteven D. Brewer đŸłïžâ€âš§ïžFeb 21
@jasonsantamaria Scribus never asks me to do that. 😉
Show threadJorge BejaranoFeb 21
@jasonsantamaria or use an older version, if possible 👍
Show threadFrank GrießhammerFeb 21
@jasonsantamaria I’ve complained about this internally. Unfortunately it’s not just InDesign, I’ve had it with SublimeText as well.
Show threadFrank GrießhammerFeb 21
@jasonsantamaria The simplest explanation might be the app is trying to access CC file sharing
Show threadJason Santa MariaFeb 21
@frankrolf That’s a shame for it to sound so shady for something that can be clearly explained.
Show threadFrank GrießhammerFeb 23

@jasonsantamaria I don’t think the intent is mischievous in any case. It’s not clear to me if there is a way to explain what’s happening within such a message. It might also be that Adobe is particularly susceptible to this, since the apps are part of a (more or less compatible) ecosystem.

I remember one such message some time ago: “Illustrator would like to record your screen” – uproar from the community.
Result: eyedropper tool no longer works beyond the application bounds.

Show threadJason Santa MariaFeb 23
@frankrolf Totally true, the tools here for developers are too limited to accurately communicate the real intent.
Show threadLuke Dorny Feb 23
@jasonsantamaria @frankrolf which is a shame. Clear intent would go so much further with trust.
Show threadFrank GrießhammerFeb 23
@Luke @jasonsantamaria Just in:
Show threadJason Santa MariaFeb 23
@frankrolf @Luke Just the best!
Show threadLuke Dorny Feb 23
@frankrolf @jasonsantamaria heh. Well, perhaps the OS needs a ( ? ) bubble to help inform the user of typical reasons. I wonder if Slack has a help page about this.
Show threadTim AhrensFeb 21
@jasonsantamaria This reminds me of these scary “Allow screen recording” requests by Adobe apps that started popping up a few years ago. They were (are?) simply for the color picker to work, AFAIK.
Show threadJason Santa MariaFeb 21
@timahrens That stinks that it is maybe for something less severe. The popup makes it sound like data mining.
Show threadKai BernauFeb 21
@jasonsantamaria @timahrens AFAYK, and that’s exactly the problem: our trust in big tech has eroded and now we have come to *expect* abuse, exploitation and overreach.
See also: ad tech; AI-related scraping; what LinkedIn/Persona do with identity verification data

Show threadJason Santa MariaFeb 21
@kai @timahrens Exactly this, because every time stuff like this comes up, it usually is tech overreach
Show threadNick ShermanFeb 21
@jasonsantamaria @kai @timahrens For whatever it’s worth, when I got the Adobe request to record my screen (https://typo.social/@nicksherman/110239055746383116), I denied it and it didn’t seem to impact my ability to use the color picker at all.
Nick Sherman (@[email protected])

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Show threadJTD TypeFeb 21
@nicksherman @jasonsantamaria @kai @timahrens It’s like the prop 65 warnings. If it’’s on everything, then it doesn’t mean anything.
Show threadCrownÂźFeb 26

@nicksherman @jasonsantamaria The screen recording request, when approved, allows you to color pick outside of the Adobe app. As in, you can drag the eyedropper outside the window. If you deny it, you can still color pick inside the app.

They could... just say this. But instead, we all have to figure out if it meaningfully impacts any feature or not.

Show threadTim AhrensFeb 26
@crown My understanding is that they (Adobe) cannot just say this because the dialog is from Apple, and they (Apple) cannot just say this because the purpose is not known.
Show threadCrownÂźFeb 26

@timahrens They can say whatever they want prior to requesting this access, of course. Maybe they “can’t” do it in this dialogue, but that doesn’t mean they can’t communicate this in literally any other way.

They have no problem interrupting veterans of the software about new features all the time. They know how to interrupt us.

Show threadLarsFeb 21
@jasonsantamaria i am allowing it each day on launch at it is annoying me so much. I am sure it is because I mainly work with files that are delivered through a 3rd party syncing app. Would love to allow it permanently.