BeepFrance will replace Microsoft Teams, Google Meet, Zoom, Webex and others with its own sovereign video conferencing application "Visio" for public officials
ThePowerOfGeekKind of funny considering that Visio is the name of another Microsoft product.
Avid AmoebaMicroslop can cry about it.
I doubt they will care that much. But it will create a bit of confusion, at least for since in the short-term.
frongtIn that case we’ll call it Frisio, French Visio.
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Valmond
turboSnailPeople who use Visio, probably wont even have (the wrong) Visio installed. There shouldn’t be any confusion.
troedSource code: https://github.com/suitenumerique/meet
artyomNice article, but sounds like he only had access to conversations available to every single government employee? He wasn’t able to crack into any direct messages or channels that he didn’t get an invite for.
Yep, fork of Element
element.io/en/case-studies/tchap?ref=element.io
Tchap secure app | French government | Matrix
Tchap is the French government's digital sovereign secure messaging and collaboration app. It is a Matrix-based, on-premise messenger and collaboration platform. The group messenger and collaboration tool supports more than 300,000 users across the French civil service.
Once these countries leave, they’ll never go back. And then the rest of us get better alternatives to this enshitification model.
Seriously, enshitification is the only thing US companies do well these days. They just dig deeper moats around their walled gardens because they’re too greedy to make decent products that people actually want.
Enshittification, AI slop and fascism are America’s greatest exports. And that’s not even a joke.
JoeBigelowWe grow pretty good weed too, that isn’t nothing.
I have a feeling it probably must be though. What other countries are pumping out literal metric ton annually?
I’m on medcan in Australia. It gets imported from everywhere but I’ve yet to come across a US grown flower.
All of the North American stuff I’ve gotten is all Canadian.
My understanding is it’s only legalized on a state level and not federal. So I guess if they’re shipping it from an international airport or by sea the feds might see that as drug trafficking.
I absolutely mean smuggling
I think enshitification is a product of public traded companies promising infinite growth, not necessarily a problem of US only companies.
It’s also a consequence of low taxes on capital gains and corporate profits.
When those taxes were higher it made more sense to reinvest the profits back into your own company. You’d build a reputation and a structure that would pay out you and your family for a hundred years.
Now the dream is to build up a company just enough to sell it to some megacorp and cash out asap, with you and your family living off of investment money that only increases over time.
woelkchenOnce these countries leave, they’ll never go back.
Look up LiMux and the massive Microsoft deal that followed.
That deal that totally had nothing to do with Microsoft relocating their headquarters closer to Munich
The Bavarian state government is still entirely in Microslop’s pocket
ѕєχυαℓ ρσℓутσρєNot surprised. From what I’ve heard from pretty much every German person I’ve talked to, Bavaria is basically their Texas.
Im not an expert on this, but it seems like Ms was worried that success of Limux would be the drip that starts the trickle so to speak. It made sense for them to do whatever it took to patch that leak.
Things have really changed since then though. Valve has been very successful in a Linux end user environment, and Eu is becoming disenfranchised from the US rather than Microsoft specifically.
I think Munich’s motivations were financial, but Frances will be ideological.
With these things in mind, the calculus has changed. That doesn’t necessarily mean France won’t fail, but id be surprised if Microsoft pursues them in the same way.
No, please stop with this garbage misinformation. Microsoft made a (suspected) under the table deal with the Munich government at the time to setup a Microsoft office in Munich if they switched back to Windows.
That’s what the news reported on endlessly. That’s the narrative that keeps getting falsely repeated over and over, and no one ever checks the BS stories they spread.
The rest of the story didn’t make headlines, where the new incoming Munich government said “hell no!” (prob in German) and continued the Linux rollout.
Today the environment is a mix of Linux and Windows, but they already have a large focus on FOSS software.
Despite the astonishingly stupid decision to roll their own in-house distro (LiMux), the program was massively successful, with Linux users filling only 40% the number of tickets the Windows users did.
You first
Are you afraid to provide any reference to your claim? Do you need extra time making up stuff?
“Die 43 000 städtischen Mitarbeiterinnen und Mitarbeiter nutzen also mittlerweile wieder Word, Outlook und PowerPoint […] Einfacher sei die Software-Frage bei den Servern im städtischen Rechenzentrum zu beantworten. Zwar haben man durchaus auch Windows-Server, aber die meisten laufen mit Linux, so Gernhardt.” (29. Juni 2025) sueddeutsche.de/…/muenchen-verwaltung-open-source…
So Linux on servers, Windows including MS Office on desktops. The migration to Linux on desktops was completely reversed.
So where is ““hell no!” (prob in German) and continued the Linux rollout”? Where has it been “garbage misinformation”? Where are the exact stats about opening tickets? After all, you claim “Linux users filling only 40% the number of tickets the Windows users did”. That’s pretty specific.
Are you afraid to provide any reference to your claim? Do you need extra time making up stuff?
No. Just calling out your double standard. If you didn’t provide sources for your statements, then it’s rich for you to demand sources from me.
zdnet.com/…/linux-not-windows-why-munich-is-shift…
“In May 2020, it was reported that the newly elected politicians in Munich, while not going back to the original plan of migrating to LiMux wholesale, will prefer Free Software for future endeavours.”
There are no official numbers, but the rollback to Windows was halted. It’s estimated that it’s currently a mix of Linux and Windows. And it’s been acknowledged that the move back to Windows was almost entirely political due to influence from Microsoft.
“In May 2020, it was reported that the newly elected politicians in Munich, while not going back to the original plan of migrating to LiMux wholesale, will prefer Free Software for future endeavours.”
So you lied. You claimed that Munich said “Hell no” to Microsoft Migration but here you spell it out yourself: The politicians did sell out to Microsoft and only newly elected politicians partially reversed it.
They use Windows and MS Office on desktops to this day and use Linux on servers and some FOSS tools ON WINDOWS DESKTOPS.
I was right, you lied.
They use Windows and MS Office on desktops to this day and use Linux on servers and some FOSS tools ON WINDOWS DESKTOPS.
Citation needed.
I know for a fact that there are no official numbers, and it’s estimated to be a split between the two OSes.
You claimed that Munich said “Hell no” to Microsoft Migration but here you spell it out yourself: The politicians did sell out to Microsoft and only newly elected politicians partially reversed it.
Ya, I’m not sure which part confuses you, but I’ll try to help:
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Politician A sells out to MS
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Migration back to Windows begins
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Politician B gets elected
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Politician B says “hell no” (hyperbole) to Microsoft switch back
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Politician B halts the migration
Still confused? Then I can’t help you.
Citation needed.
I already provided one: lemmy.world/comment/21796829
Cannot read a German news article about German news? Your problem. I’m 100% correct.
Politician A sells out to MS
The previous administration did.
Migration back to Windows begins
Which the previous administration did do and the new administration did not reverse on desktops. Windows and MS Office remain in use.
Politician B says “hell no” (hyperbole) to Microsoft switch back
There was no “hell no”. They adopted a few FOSS tools on Windows. Windows and MS Office remain in use. I already provided a source from June 2025, so quite recent.
Politician B halts the migration
You clamed there was no Microsoft migration. You claimed that any sort of Migrosoft migration is garbage misinformation. You’re a blatant liar.
Cannot read a German news article about German news? Your problem. I’m 100% correct.
Did you read the article? Because nowhere in there does it say how many Linux or Windows desktops are being used.
The previous administration did.
Yes, Dieter Reiter. He’s the one quoted in the article. He’s the one that made that “deal” with Microsoft.
“We want to go back to the “industry standard,” said Lord Mayor Dieter Reiter.”
Which the previous administration did do and the new administration did not reverse on desktops
Clearly you didn’t read my sources.
There was no “hell no”. They adopted a few FOSS tools on Windows. Windows and MS Office remain in use. I already provided a source from June 2025, so quite recent.
Like I said, your 2025 source does not back up your claim that all the desktops are Windows.
You clamed there was no Microsoft migration. You claimed that any sort of Migrosoft migration is garbage misinformation.
I never “clamed” anything. But what I said was that the declaration of LiMux being a failure, and a reverting back to Windows wholesale is false.
You’re a blatant liar.
Apparently you are also.
While I would love to see them never going back, here in Germany, all it takes is some corrupt politician taking a huge bribe from a lobbyist and swoosh, they are back to Microslop.
Edit: Knowing our little corrupt fuckers in charge in German politics, the bribe probably doesn’t even have to be mediocre.
In Australia a lobbyist would get that for around 10k AUD from Labor and probably 6 from the Coalition.
Our system (in the end it’s the same no matter where you are) is so fucked up :/ Kids need to learn empathy and selflessness as the most important school subject.
ArtisianMunich went open source / Linux a couple of years ago, ditching Microsoft. Using a big budget to convert everything and support employees etc. It was a huge act.
…Then they went back to Microsoft in yet another huge act, using a big budget. And then never revealed the budget for the last one. Which is really weird, considering its public money.
BlisterexeThis is only a part of france’s “LaSuite” (very original name guys), that seemingly will replace every equivalent american service.
They generally work pretty well (demo on the site) and are a mix of homegrown solutions and rebrands of existing projects like matrix. All of them are open source.
cygnusI’d also accept Honhon
And all their videos are on Peertube!
ozonedI guess they’re all cloud tools? Or is there something I can install in my laptop?
They’re all cloud tools, but if you have a spare computer and some knowledge you can host it yourself.
Yes and yes but no interest in self hosting
And the apps have docker for easy setup! I was expecting something very convoluted and not suitable for tinkerers. What’s good/bad is that the the apps seem to be deployed independently. Would love to have single user for everything. Need to read a bit further to see how it’s done
To have a single user with multiple services you usually use a separate oauth provider, in the french government’s case that’s France connect but authelia is a good self-hosted option.
It’s possible these ones have a built-in system for this though, I haven’t checked.