I'm looking into books not just about #ADHD, but specifically about the use of #psychostimulant drugs to treat it. I was hoping to find professional reference books. Instead, what I'm finding, overwhelmingly, are strident denunciations of #ADHD as unreal, and of the drugs as tools of diabolical mind control. The atmosphere of this discourse, the vibe, absolutely creeps me out. It's dismaying. It's worse — much worse! — than anti-addiction drug-war literature; many of THOSE people are surprisingly positive about what they see as responsible, legitimate use of scheduled drugs under prescription. Instead, the anti-#ADHD-drug literature is more reminiscent of the intensely toxic atmosphere of two other social pathologies we've become wearisomely familiar with: #antivax, and the "#autism overdiagnosis" school of thought that tries to deny the very reality of our identity.

Indeed, I suspect that at bottom the motivation behind all three social movements — #antivax, anti-#ADHD, and anti-#autism — is the same: denial of the Other. Whether it's plagues or neurodivergence, these people want above all to deny the reality of anything that would force them to make drastic alterations to their lifestyles. It's one step away from wishing other ethnic groups didn't exist.

@autistics

@dedicto @autistics
To my mind it's the same reasoning as the anti-trans push. Fear of the other and because autism/adhd and trans both require accepting someone without truly being able to understand them, attacking the lowest hanging fruit first.

@pathfinder @autistics Interesting! In quite different contexts, I'm starting to realize just how desperately toxic it is to insist on understanding something before acknowledging its existence. It is critically important to be prepared to do the opposite: to accept realities that we cannot presently understand.

My wife and I recently watched "The Most Reluctant Convert", a dramatization of the intellectual journey of C. S. Lewis, ultimately based on his autobiography "Surprised by Joy". Watching the movie, and thinking back to my reading of the book, I realized how, at certain crucial turning points, Lewis's thinking was driven by insistence on accepting only what he found comprehensible. Thus it was that a brilliant and deeply skeptical intellect, who should by rights have been a champion of rationalism, ended up as an apologist for a vile and pernicious body of traditional superstition.

I'm also currently reading Maria Rosa Antognazza's biography of Leibniz, and before that I had read Alexandre Koyré's "From the Closed World to the Infinite Universe". These books shed light on a controversy between two of the greatest intellects in history — Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz and Isaac Newton — over the nature of gravity. Leibniz, like Descartes before him, insisted on understanding how gravity worked as a condition of accepting its reality — and ended up with some beliefs about the nature of matter that rate as quite bizarre, both by the standards of the 18th century and of the 21st. Newton famously replied "Hypotheses non fingo", usually translated as "I feign no hypotheses". By which he meant: "Observations of heavenly and earthly bodies have revealed certain regularities in their motions which cannot be explained by direct contacts among them, or by any other type of causal interaction that we can presently understand. But I can describe those regularities by laws stated in the language of mathematics. That is the basis of my law of universal gravitation. It would be pointless to add guesses as to why these regularities hold."

In the 20th century, Einstein — building on two and a half centuries of science in the Newtonian tradition — finally did come up with some reasonable hypotheses as to why gravity exists and how it works, in his general theory of relativity. But science would never have gotten to that point if it had insisted on starting out, in the late 17th and early 18th century, by "feigning hypotheses" about the nature of gravity. Newton was right: sometimes you just need to accept and describe first, and explain later.

Now if we could just get social scientists to accept what physicists had to learn centuries ago.

@dedicto @autistics
Indeed. Beyond anything else, true understanding may not always be possible. Acceptance that it is, even if you don't and can't know why, is always possible
@pathfinder @autistics I even think that's why certain neurotypical biomedical scientists, and their allies of the stripe of #AutismSpeaks and the National Council on Severe Autism (#NCSA), spend so much effort "feigning hypotheses" as to the "causes of autism": they aren't willing to accept our existence without first reductively pathologizing us as the product of some identifiable genetic defect.

@dedicto @pathfinder @autistics

Hmmm but I like that part. Kinda hoping they get better at it… seeking more accurate labels and help so I can advocate for myself easier without others with the same label feeling like its about them.

Im noticing my conditions manifest differently than a lot of people online and in groups… similar symptoms… greater severity… additional comorbids that pile on high.

@Energetic_Nova @pathfinder @autistics I do indeed believe we need better subtyping of autism. My theory of #kaleidotropy is an effort in that direction. But we're unlikely to get anything good from the #NCSA crowd. Their quest for the "causes of autism" is a search-and-destroy mission. They want to find a way to prevent any more of us from being born. Secondarily, they want to show that our autism is not "severe" so we don't merit any help.

@dedicto @pathfinder @autistics

I am disinterested in cause but interested in genetics for complex diagnosis reasons.

I want more efforts on what helps. I like your OP post cause yes, I feel a major factor is a refusal to change. But there is a group of autistic people who dont want to be seen or treated differently… and then there is me who keeps reaching for treatment option ideas that dont exist…. (Yet)

@dedicto @pathfinder @autistics

Wow these people are sad… anyways… im getting that barbie for a level 3 autistic who will love it like all his other dolls.

@dedicto @pathfinder @autistics

I am excluded from public life and Im happy about autistic Barbie…. 🤷‍♀️

@dedicto @pathfinder @autistics

From their horrible article

“Nevertheless, the version of autism presented to the public through toys, marketing, and media overwhelmingly reflects the smallest and most advantaged segment. This portrayal is tech savvy, functionally typical, cognitively gifted, emotionally legible, and socially palatable. It reassures the public that autism is manageable, tidy, and compatible with existing social norms.”

What!!! Its an ACC device! She is non-speaking!

@dedicto @pathfinder @autistics

“Many in this population are left languishing without a single friend outside their immediate family. However, these realities do not appear in celebratory “diversity” campaigns. They do not translate easily into merchandise. They are fundamentally incompatible with narratives that frame autism primarily as a cultural identity rather than a disabling condition.“

NOBODY SAID THIS ABOUT DOWNS SYNDROME BARBIE or BLIND BARBIE!!!

Da F! I am in that position!

@dedicto @pathfinder @autistics

I fit most of their descriptive words in their article! And my housemate fits all of them! And guess what!? My Housemate is happier than I am!

@Energetic_Nova @dedicto @autistics
All of this is why it took me, a very late realised autistic who could mask well, a while to get my head around the fact, that no matter how it presents for us it is first and foremost a disability. How and to what extent by environmental factors being the only variable.

@pathfinder @Energetic_Nova @autistics Admittedly I'm still very new to all of this, and these "severe autism" groups haven't been my principal focus as I've tried to learn more, but AFAICT so far, they aren't really groups for autistics at all; they're "autism mom" groups, focused first and foremost on the needs of caregivers, not of autistics, "severe" or otherwise. And they are basically HATE GROUPS and self-pity parties. The agenda appears to be:

(1) Divide and conquer: find justifications for treating "severe autism" as a fundamentally different phenomenon from any autism that shows potential for anything positive.

(2) Paint "non-severe" autistics as basically just lifestylers who are essentially normal and need little or no support; paint autistic self-advocacy as a distraction from the needs of poor struggling autism moms saddled with the care of "severe" autistics.

(3) Paint "severe" autistics as subhuman monsters with little or no potential for anything good, so as to justify whatever treatment their caregivers feel is necessary to minimize the burden they impose.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Council_on_Severe_Autism

National Council on Severe Autism - Wikipedia

@pathfinder @Energetic_Nova @autistics There's even an impulse toward #filicide in these "severe autism" groups, that occasionally surfaces openly. They released a ghastly film in 2006 called "Autism Every Day", in which #AlisonSinger — who has occupied prominent roles in both #AutismSpeaks (which released the film) and #NCSA — admitted to fantasies of driving off a bridge with her #autistic daughter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism_Every_Day

Autism Every Day - Wikipedia

@dedicto @pathfinder @autistics

Yeah and Im someone who wished their mom did me the service of that… which is why I feel trapped between the two positions.

@dedicto @pathfinder @Energetic_Nova @autistics OF COURSE AUTISM SPEAKS RELEASED IT

@emily_rugburn @dedicto @pathfinder @autistics

I feel like the part we hated about autism speaks is in that off shoot more than autism speaks.

@Energetic_Nova @dedicto @pathfinder @autistics except that autism speaks is a parent support group. it literally has nothing to do with supporting people with autism and advocates *eliminating* autism.

@emily_rugburn @dedicto @pathfinder @autistics

Go read their recent posts. And speaking against RFK jr.

@emily_rugburn @dedicto @pathfinder @autistics

Their RFK statement
https://www.autismspeaks.org/advocacy-news/leading-autism-organizations-release-joint-statement-upholding-scientific-integrity

A scholarship for actually autistic researchers.
https://www.autismspeaks.org/news/now-open-2025-predoctoral-fellowship-autistic-scientists

To me this makes it better than that other group who was definitely down on the self advocacy network. Note who is missing on the anti RFK statement… NCSA

@Energetic_Nova @dedicto @pathfinder @autistics sometimes i feel this stuff is just meant to placate some of their audience but yes, doctors *should* not, on a whole, be agreeing with anything rfk jr is saying or advocating.

@emily_rugburn @Energetic_Nova @pathfinder @autistics The joint statement by #AutismSpeaks with #ASAN against #BrainWormsJr was indeed remarkable. It's been compared to a hypothetical scenario where Bernie Sanders and Marjorie Taylor Greene issue a joint statement on something (anything!). The clear genocidal implications of RFKJr's thinking must have been too much even for #AutismSpeaks. Despite the #filicidal overtones of their philosophy, no doubt most of them would balk at a thinly veiled program of mass murder.

But have they fundamentally changed? Not a chance. A quick glance at their site turned up a "2025 Advocacy Highlights" page in which the "Healthcare access and affordability" section lauds increased insurance coverage for #ABA — "Applied Behavior Analysis". That's still their idea of how we should be dealt with.

https://www.autismspeaks.org/advocacy-news/2025-advocacy-highlights

@emily_rugburn @Energetic_Nova @pathfinder @autistics And although I've posted links to Amanda Forest Vivian's definitive commentary on #ABA several times before, it's definitely worth repeating here, in case anyone doesn't realize what an abyss of horror lurks beneath that three-letter acronym:

https://thinkingautismguide.com/2018/09/on-aba-they-hate-you-yes-you.html

On ABA: They Hate You. Yes, You. — THINKING PERSON'S GUIDE TO AUTISM

Autistic people do not get abused [and/or put in ABA therapy] because they are low-functioning; they get abused because they do weird things.

THINKING PERSON'S GUIDE TO AUTISM