@waldschnecke Fairphone with Murena e/OS/ blocks App-Tracker, privacy easy to manage. All Apps I need are fully functional, no google-Account needed, but I don't use Murena-Services.
#fairphone #eos #murena @murena #opensource #sustainable #unplugtrump #unplugapple
e/OS/ is pretty much the worst choice for a smartphone OS in every aspect. e/OS/ massively reduces security and privacy compared to AOSP and almost completely eliminates the security model.
This includes, among other things:
-) No support for Verified Boot (a security-critical feature in Android)
-) Months of delays in security updates
-) Full patches can sometimes take longer than a year
-) Chromium came/comes in a delivery state that has not been updated for months.
-) They once had an Orbot client in use that had not been updated for years
-) There was also an incident where their cloud service mishandled session keys and granted users access to other users' files, then lied to users that the server couldn't see the files, even though there was no E2EE
-) The voice-to-text service from e/OS/ sends data to OpenAI by default ...
This is not a complete list; see also:
In addition, Fairphone uses some EoL hardware and still lacks important security features.
See also information from Tavi (Android security researcher and former developer of DivestOS):
https://forum.fairphone.com/t/is-fairphone-really-interested-in-sustainability/99302/2
You should take a look at the comparison table from eylenburg, which provides a clear overview of important information about the individual custom OSes:
@Voxelpower @waldschnecke @murena so what is your advice? Old iOS with lack of updates? What is an non american, sustainable Phone which is practical?
GrapheneOS is great, but it supports only PixelPhones.
( Deleted some actually false information about grapheneOS )
A current iPhone is perfectly fine and definitely the better choice than a Fairphone with e/OS/.
> “Self flashing – not for the masses”
Incorrect, there are already several stores offering GrapheneOS:
https://shop.nitrokey.com/shop/category/smartphone-tablet-4
https://shop.proxysto.re/de/i/pixel/
https://www.freifon.shop/c/freifon-kaufen/grapheneos
https://buy.jolla-devices.com/product/pixel-9a-with-graphene-os/
> “Lack of some essential app functionality”
No less than with other custom OS, quite the contrary.
> “Would say... Buy a Nokia 5310”
Far worse security and privacy than a smartphone, you can't even use encrypted messengers.
By the way, GrapheneOS is working with an OEM to ensure that future devices support the requirements for GOS (planned for 2027 iirc, @GrapheneOS is that correct?).
And honestly, I don't understand this anti-Pixel attitude. Google hardly makes any money selling Pixels (they make far more with their licensing), and if you buy them refurbished, they don't get any money at all.
If environmental protection is really important to you, buy a used smartphone and flash it with LineageOS (you can forget about security/privacy anyway, and LineageOS is still better than e/OS/). That's far better than buying a new ewaste device with an OS that only lies to users.
> And honestly, I don't understand this anti-Pixel attitude. Google hardly
Google supports a fascist liar who is fighting against democracies over the world with millions! Also security and tech is not unpolitical. Every descision you make is it. And so is wearing a daily accessory in your Hand and advertise Brands supporting a fascist liar.
But OK. That was not the question at first. So I am out with my advice and experience. And thanks for the GrapheneOS-hint.
@pchblk @Voxelpower Here's founder/CEO of /e/ and Murena linking to a neo-nazi conspiracy site to push fabrications about the GrapheneOS development team and direct harassment towards us:
https://archive.is/SWXPJ
https://archive.is/n4yTO
Gaël Duval has repeatedly used his personal accounts along with /e/ and Murena corporate accounts to spread harassment content including support Kiwi Farms.
Murena makes extraordinarily insecure and non-private products/services. They scam people for profit.
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