On being #vegan
I'm not setting it up to say I'm better than you because I'm not. It's just a choice I have taken.
There are all sorts of areas in life where I fuck up.
I'm only interested in pleasing one person, really.
Lobelia is a perennial flower.
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@Geri I'll always be an omni to some extent, but almost against my will I find myself preferring alternatives to animal-provided foods. Meatless days don't hurt anyone and make for a healthy change.
Pro-tip for other omnis: given a vegetarian and a meat option for an Indian dish, go for the veggie. There's nowhere to hide when you take the meat away - I've had a far better dish than someone at the same table who chose the meat version.
@AbramKedge @Geri "I'll always abuse other animals to some extent" Imagine you have a knife to your throat and then imagine what that person could say to you to justify your death
See what they go through and realise you are not the victim here
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https://nationearth.com
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Your right to swing an axe ends where someone elses neck begins.
Personal choices don't have victims abuse does.
It's not your personal choice to force a pig into a gas chamber or a chicken into an electrocution bath (yes thats how the vast majority are killed)
I don't care if you respect me, I want you to respect the victim by no longer paying for their needless torture and death.
To that end the best thing you can do is look into their eyes as they die and tell yourself "I support this" https://nationearth.com
It's very hard to argue against that ,Abram
Why dont you try Veganism perhaps for two days a week?
@ambiguous_yelp @AbramKedge @Geri
It's not derailing (here) to say:
Go out + look around. You don't even need to go to any supermarket.
With every second existing as a human you say yes to *all* of it.
The cruel deaths of millions of animals.
To endless suffering of your fellow humans here + especially elsewhere.
To the destruction of ecosystems/this planet.
1rst step (for me):
Admitting to be a member of deadliest species ever.
2nd step:
Try to personally change!
Your argument doesn't help.
@grootinside @AbramKedge @Geri
Animal agriculture kills billions of land animals every year[1] trillions if you count estimates for fish whose slaughter are measured by weight[2], farmed animals outweigh wild animals (by biomass)[3]
The most good you can do in the world right now is to oppose the mass torture and slaughter of animals treated as objects so called "liveSTOCK".
Lets be as generous as possible and discount the fish estimates, 80 billion deaths per year, imagine the entire human species being wiped out roughly once every 3 months or about 2500 deaths per second, the vast majority chickens, and for whom roughly a third of their corpses will be discarded as waste[4]
[1]
https://faunalytics.org/global-animal-slaughter-statistics-and-charts/#
[2]
Alison Mood; Phil Brooke
2024.02.08 XX:XX:XX XXX
Estimating global numbers of fishes caught from the wild annually from 2000 to 2019
Wild Animal Welfare
<https://doi.org/10.1017/awf.2024.7>
[3]
https://ourworldindata.org/wild-mammals-birds-biomass
[4]
United Nations
2013.09.11 XX:XX:XX XXX
UN report: one-third of worldβs food wasted annually, at great economic, environmental cost
United Nations
<https://news.un.org/en/story/2013/09/448652>
@ambiguous_yelp @AbramKedge @Geri
Please notice i am not arguing *against* your position/facts.π€¨
Limited to fewer signs/post i just want to point out it is not helping to blame someone for the multisystemic cruel deadly set ups of the societies of our species. He is trying to change personally.
That's at least a first step. Encourage positively(!) to do more. #VeganRecipes
Rather go after ignorants and those who actively promote/work not to change anything.
Just sayin' π
@grootinside No they aren't trying to change, they started off asserting their position that they will never stop paying for other animals to be murdered
The intent is very important, unless we attack the cancer at the root which is speciesism then carnism and human supremacy will continue to crop up in new forms forever.
Non-human victims aren't comforted by the fact someone abstains from killing their cousins once a week
@ambiguous_yelp
Actually you are just doing the same at a different level/from a different position.
You keep existing in a society of humans which are massproducing food, "goods", energy... which is causing suffering and destruction of countless entities and finally this planetary ecosystem (for us and many species).
But blaming seems everywhere easier than encouraging for the better, especially online.π
@grootinside This is an informal fallacy called whataboutism, by far the worst thing humans do is the animal agriculture industry and instead of supporting people working to oppose that your first response is to get out the microscope and point to every little harmful system were all forced into
Yes theres no ethical consumption under capitalism but that doesn't mean a vegan who gets the train to work that might kill insects is the same as someone who pays for multiple animals to be killed explicitly for their own sensory pleasure
We cant address the more embedded human supremacist systems if we're not even allowed to critique carnism without being called a hypocrite
Geri
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