Adriel TanDec 2
ploum

Unix - BSD developers :โ€ฏthis code should run and be maintained as long as computers exist.

Linux - GNU dev : this code should run and be maintained as long as someone is willing to do the work

Consultant: this code should run until the end of my contract.

Enterprise grade B2B software : this code should run till the end of the demonstration to that big customer.

Vibe coding : You are perfectly right. The code doesnโ€™t run. Try this one. You are right, it deleted your hard disk, Iโ€™m sorry.

Dec 2 at 3:41pmWeb
Show threadZeki ร‡atav ๐Ÿค” โ˜• ๐Ÿ•ฏ๏ธ๐ŸŽถDec 2
@ploum The Vibe code is just a tool. If you kill someone with a knife, it's not the knife's fault.
Show threadMajor Denis BloodnokDec 2
@catavz @ploum This argument is also made by American gun nuts, and look how well _that_ turned out.
Show threadDavid GerardDec 3
@denisbloodnok @catavz @ploum The radioactive anthrax bomb is just a tool. The vibe code user is also a tool.
Show threadZeki ร‡atav ๐Ÿค” โ˜• ๐Ÿ•ฏ๏ธ๐ŸŽถDec 3
@denisbloodnok @ploum There is no solution other than educating people to solve their problems peacefully. They will use any means to harm others. It is not weapons that kill people (unless AI is a weaponized device, which is debatable).
Show threadMorgan โšง๏ธDec 2
@catavz @ploum more aptly compared to the gun. Knives have uses other than killing.
Show threadBytebro ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ฑDec 2

@ploum

In my last job before I retired, someone asked me how/why many of my 'helper' scripts called stuff like 'sed' and 'awk'. I had an entire library of Unix (GNU!) utilities built for Windows, and they all worked, so if course I used them.

He explained to boss, boss asked me to refrain, so I rewrote all the helper scripts in Perl.

Show threadderptronDec 2
@ploum If I'm vibe coding then it's probably in my butt and I don't actually care what comes out of that so long as I'm having fun.
Show threadJohnMasheyDec 2
@ploum
For context, ~1980 the old Bell System already had 400 operations support systems (OSSs), ie (mostly) mission-critical software written by {Bell Labs, Western Electric, AT&T, telephone coโ€™s, contractors, or third-party software coโ€™โ€™s.} I have no idea how much is still running, but I know some is, like TIRKS:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trunks_Integrated_Record_Keeping_System
It was originally developed in late 1960s, written in IBM S/360 assembly language & PL/I, although itโ€™s acquired more modern front-ends.
Trunks Integrated Record Keeping System - Wikipedia

Show threadJoost van Baal-Iliฤ‡Dec 2
@JohnMashey @ploum And this Trunks Integrated Record Keeping System (TIRKS) has "complete backward compatibility": wow....
Show threadJohnMasheyDec 2
@joostvb @ploum
Some old mainframe software has serious longevity.
I wrote this program ~1970-71 for IBM S/360:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASSIST_(computing)
S/360 used 24-bit addressing (16MB) so I, as did many others used the high byte for flags, which was troublesome enough to change that IBM kept a 24-bit addressing mode to support such codes.
I last looked in 2015, ASSIST still ran.
ASSIST (computing) - Wikipedia

Show threadChris1776Dec 2
@ploum Rust developer looking at *any* code: this needs a rewrite in Rust.
Show threadMidgePhotoDec 2
@ploum
Someone: We hold this code to be self-evident...
Show thread[384992] Ellie Winters   Dec 2
@ploum actually the agent doesnt even admit it, it just says you reached your rate limit and acts like nothing ever happened
Show threadDaniel BohrerDec 2
@ploum when you said "Enterprise-grade B2B software", I thought of "this code should run until the end of the while(true) loop"
Show threadRa (Freyja) (it/its)๐’€ญ๐’ˆน๐’ ๐’ŠฉDec 2
@ploum I prefer the Unix / BSD devs approach
Show threadLisPiDec 3
@freya @ploum Reality tends to align with the "GNU" approach (at least for those things that can't simply be done once and never need to be touched-up again).
Show threadRyek DarkenerDec 2

@ploum

Finally Vibe Code LLM did the right thing.

Show threadืจืขื•ืช ื”ืžื’ื ื™ื‘ื”Dec 2

@ploum

You're *absolutely* right! ๐Ÿ˜…

Show threadPlausible Human BeingDec 2

@ploum

Also Consultant: Can you refresh production from the backup?

Show thread(deleted acct)Dec 2
@ploum Broderbund shipped software [probably a game] that would erase hard drives by accident. This was when hard drives were less common tho' and were probably like 12 megabytes.

Anyway I was impressed.
Show threadpixxDec 2

@ploum

Plan 9 devs: this code shouldn't exist, let's delete it

Show threadDevin GutierrezDec 3
@ploum Windows developers: This should run, until crowdstrike bricks all the computers in the known universe, or until m$ decides to make some undocumented feature breaking change that breaks a critical lib, or until windows goes agentic in which case my app is pointless anyway... right?
Show threadTimDec 3

@ploum

Tim: Yes, this code works. Yes, you are allowed to modify it. Yes, you are able to charge for your modifications, provided you pay the $1/user license for my code.

Show threadLuistxo FernandezDec 3
@ploum Soviet coding: if they send me to Siberia, this won't work any more
Show threadAnn HDec 3
@ploum @sassdawe Sometimes the universe has a sense of humor
Show threadDavid Cantrell ๐ŸDec 3
@hardingar @ploum @sassdawe it was in fact me that broke it by installing openbsd-current instead of -release.
Show threadbwsDec 3
@ploum fortran 77: this code runs until the end of the univerese.
Show threadBeam me out!Dec 3
@ploum Excelent! ๐Ÿ˜
Show thread๐ŸŽธ POSS ๐ŸDec 3
@ploum Hurd Dev: GNU/Hurd should (in theory) run on a laptop system. However, PCMCIA is NOT supported, neither are PS/2 mice, only serial mice work, no USB tho.