Do you remember the time when US President Franklin D. Roosevelt told Winston Churchill that he had "no cards", so he had to sign a peace plan, which Roosevelt had drafted with Hitler?
No?
Neither do I — because Roosevelt was not a draft dodging, spray tanned coward.
That said, the stance of Europe and the US towards Ukraine has at its best resembled Roosevelt's stance towards the UK before December 1941. One reason for this, as I understand it, was the original America First crowd.
As Woody Guthrie observed, "They say America first, but they mean America next ..." Ain't it the truth.
slight correction
It wasn't Roosevelt's stance
Roosevelt knew the USA would eventually be in the war and spoke constantly against Mussolini and Hitler and did his best to help Europe under these constraints:
The USA at large didn't care. Some were even outright Nazis
Much as today as you say
"It’s a terrible thing to look over your shoulder when you are trying to lead- and find no one there"
- FDR
By Aaron Bauer June 1940 was a dark time in human history. After the conquest of Poland in October 1939, Hitler unleashed his armies on Western Europe in the spring of 1940. Denmark and Norway fell…
understood. we only have 500 chars to comment so we are brief, and you knew what i was saying before i said it. sorry for the reply guy comment
@benroyce and that observation makes our present day situation even more bizarre.
Sure, Italy's Meloni has to battle Italian protectionists in Parliament, and yes Greece cannot afford enormous aid, but why everyone else has not banded together and created the European liberation force and thrown the Russians out, is beyond me.
We have financed the war without the US throughout 2025, and we have incredible engineering skills.
If LEGO had been told to make drones three years ago… 💥
Lots of factors here. The big one is nukes. Despite periodic sabre-rattling by Putin, he hasn't gone there in reality, but many politicians and diplomats are acting as if he will. Also, no appetite for troops on the ground after Iraq and Afghanistan (despite obvious differences). Not enough oil. Deferring to US.Unwillingness to act outside NATO structures. Others?
If only we could have another Lusitania, Pearl Harbor, Gulf of Tonkin, babies thrown out of incubators in Kuwait, WMD, …
May I suggest the Ignoble Appease Prize?
That was the same meeting Roosevelt criticized Churchill for being disrespectful by not wearing a suit.
I also don't remember that.
I just watched 'The Darkest Hour', and Roosevelt dicked around quite a bit before he agreed to aid Britain.
US had a lot of money invested... with the Germans. (IBM and Ford)
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