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Why is software created using taxpayers’ money not released as #FreeSoftware under a #FOSS licence? If it is public money, it should be public code as well!
Madalin Ignisca 🇪🇺🇪🇦@fsfe I half agree on this. If some of the projects would cause national security issues, the code should not be public. I would not like Russia to hack all our infrastructure just because of personal subjective wish of all to be public code.
richintheflow@madalinignisca I do not agree with you on this. Policy measures are not sufficient, without the source code, claims like Google's or Apple's can never be verifiable. @fsfe
@richintheflow @fsfe My opinion is objective and rational, not subjective and with personal emotions related to the Free Software which for personal use I love. But at national level, national security is first and top priority, and you have to solve this problem first.
@madalinignisca There is no subjectivity nor emotion in my statement. For example Linux is often considered more secure than Windows because its open-source nature allows a larger community of developers to scrutinize and fix vulnerabilities quickly. In contrast, Windows relies on "security through obscurity," which can lead to fewer eyes on the code and potentially more undiscovered vulnerabilities. @fsfe
@richintheflow @fsfe Linux is a mature project. I agree that most of the projects should be public source, but there should be exceptions.
�@richintheflow @madalinignisca @fsfe and then there is that gem
where every available package ib the package manager is counted 🤣
Analysis shows over the last decade Windows 10 had fewer vulnerabilities than Linux, Mac OS X and Android
An analysis of the National Institute of Standards and Technology’s National Vulnerability Database has shown that, if the number of vulnerabilities is any indication of exploitability, Windows 10 appears to be a lot safer than Android, Mac OS or Linux. Over the last decade, Debian Linux had 3067 technical vulnerabilities, which they defined as “a […]
@utf_7 @madalinignisca @fsfe This report lacks detail. From 1999 to 2019, Debian had 10 major releases. Windows (Server 2008, 7, and 10) had 3,815 technical vulnerabilities compared to 3,067 for Debian Linux across all releases. In 2019, Debian reported 360 vulnerabilities, while Windows had 2,296 (including Server 2016, 10, Server 2019, 7, Server 2008, and 2012). This indicates that open source, in the case of Debian, is still far more secure.
@richintheflow @madalinignisca @fsfe yeah sure, whatever this is, it fails every seriousness regarding statistics
@madalinignisca @fsfe hm, security through obscurity isnt thaaat good approach. the algorithm should be secure, not just because you hide how it works.
@utf_7 @fsfe I agree with this too. So we face a political issue: how do we force our governments to stop giving software projects to relatives and friends and overpay them? Forcing code to be public probably will make them run away. Do you think governments will start being transparent in the bidding for projects and hire the real qualified companies? Or the governments will end up in creating workplaces and just start to bring in the champions on GitHub and graduates from tech schools?
@madalinignisca @fsfe to be fair, i thought in most european countries, that stuff a government wants to buy (software and hardware) must be a public call for bids
@utf_7 @fsfe it is, but the requirements disqualify all WE think should be able to even bid, and only some companies manage to get in this race. It is well made so for small projects only family and friends get in, and large ones only corps that offer big bribes. From my native country Romania, in the last 30 years have been revealed many briberies of Microsoft to many politicians, and did this solved anything? No. They are powerful enough to clean the problems and to brainwash all.
@madalinignisca @fsfe egh, okay this sucks
@madalinignisca @utf_7 @fsfe Technology sovereignty is about strategic choices. Europe faces massive security risks from foreign private software. The solution: reallocate investments, educate people about open-source alternatives, and build independent technological ecosystems that truly serve government and public needs. Here is an example of the proper use of public funds: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GendBuntu
@richintheflow @madalinignisca @fsfe
>Europe faces massive security risks from foreign private software.
as recently shown at ICC in the Hague
@richintheflow @utf_7 @fsfe on using Linux distributions, and other existing applications and server services I fully agree with you. But if the secret services or other sensitive public agency requires a custom service, why not keep the eyes of the enemy out of it?
@madalinignisca Well... I also noticed a previous post where you questioned the use of Rust in the Linux kernel, a matter already definitively resolved by Linus Torvalds. Uninformed critics misunderstand complex decisions, demonstrating the Dunning-Kruger effect by confidently arguing without technical depth. @utf_7 @fsfe
@richintheflow @madalinignisca @fsfe
*mic drop*
derptron@madalinignisca @fsfe In the US they just walked through the front door and installed new computers. All the obscurity in the world won't save you from that shit. Wouldn't you rather have the same weapons they'll be armed with when that happens?
A government that only secures itself isn't doing you any favors.
Diego Pino@madalinignisca @fsfe Have you heard of the recent sentence by Spain's Supreme Court that obliges the State to release the source code of systems used in automatic decision making?
For 7 years Spain's government refused to release the source code of BOSCO (a program used to determine who can and who cannot receive a subsidy to pay the electricity bill), claiming intellectual property and national security as an excuse.
Civio pulls back the curtain on public algorithms: Spain’s Supreme Court orders the Government to release BOSCO’s source code
The precedent-setting ruling states that public decision-making algorithms require transparency and oversight. The court rejects claims that national security or intellectual property can absolutely limit what it calls a constitutional right to public information.
@madalinignisca @fsfe Quoting the article:
"The Supreme Court’s creates jurisprudence and establishes that knowing how the programmes and algorithms used by public administrations work is a democratic right"
"The ruling rules out the possibility of imposing total opacity on the grounds of national security or intellectual property"
"The government cannot override, in a generic and absolute way, the right of access to information, a right the Supreme Court declares constitutional."
Zło To 🏴☠️ ᵗʰʳᵉᵉᶠᶦᵈᵈʸ@fsfe Why should those pesky Americans use software paid by Europeans, hm? /s
Ray McCarthy@fsfe
See also Weather data or Map data in many countries where those are paid for by the State.
See also Weather data or Map data in many countries where those are paid for by the State.
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