Volker Weber
I am writing a book
Nov 17 at 2:17pmWeb
Show threadeons Luna (Eonity)Nov 17

@vowe This needs to be an actual book.

I'm serious.

Show threadCambionnNov 22
@eonity @vowe
Too bad the instructions would be outdated by the next update 😅.
Show threadRyek DarkenerNov 17

@vowe

Installing Linux would do the trick also. ;)

Show threadlobingeraNov 17

@_RyekDarkener_ @vowe I have seen linux users using a browser to access copilot.
(or using VScode).

In fact, i'm one of these users.

Show threadRyek DarkenerNov 17

@lobingera @vowe

Well, ... ;)
If the product is used in your production environment, there is no easy way to get rid of it.
Nevertheless, digital slavery is a choice, not a law of nature.

Show threadlobingeraNov 17
@_RyekDarkener_ @vowe I'm a test user for some tools.
Show threadnot a martian, honestNov 17
@vowe huh, I think I'd be interested in a copy
Show threadCassanderNov 17
@vowe Preordering as soon as you tell me which Microsoft Copilot this disables.
Show threadSebi ✓Nov 17
@vowe Next book on that journey is already written ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Show threadBenedikt NeuzweigNov 17
@vowe
1. Quit Microsoft
2. Profit
Show threadHammerwellNov 17
@vowe Was macht das Copilot? Ich habs auf der Arbeit gesehen, aber nicht benutzt.
Show threadFirestarter_OLNov 18
@Hammerwell
Copilot ist ein AI Tool, das Programmierer*innen helfen soll, was dann bei der Überprüfung und Bereinigung des (fehlerhaften) Codes mehr Zeit braucht als beim Erstellen eingespart wird.
@vowe
Show threadHammerwellNov 18
@Firestarter_OL @vowe Danke. Ein Verschlimmbesserungstool also.
Show threadtechNov 17
@vowe für Notepad gibt es jetzt einen GPO-Satz, der ausschließlich dazu dient, Copilot zu deaktivieren. Die Richtlinie funktioniert nicht 
Show threadEric de Redelijkheid Nov 17
@vowe I miss those books (not e) though.
Show threadBerendefNov 17
@vowe format c
Show threadGezzaNov 17
@vowe
I note the publisher will be "Oh'Really"
Show threadArnim Sommer 🇪🇺Nov 17
@vowe
Go by the pen name of Michael End…
Show threadJeff McNeillNov 18
@vowe Yep, doing my part at home by uninstalling Windows on my children's machines. We can now run Roblox on Linux, so no need for the nonsense.
Show threadAlison ChaikenNov 18
@vowe I would have gone for an irritating insect, perhaps a horsefly or a mosquito.
Show threadLinker3000Nov 21
The ram should have 5 legs.
Show threadRalf Nov 18
@vowe As Linux is not an option at work, I do need that - urgently…
Show threadJames WellsNov 21

@ralf
Can I ask why it is not an option? Company policy is one thing, but you are implying it is another reason. And I often find those other reasons are just because people haven't found the right solution more than it doesn't exist.

@vowe

Show threadMorgan ⚧️Nov 22
@nikatjef @ralf @vowe where is the implication that it's not company policy? I didn't catch that part of the message
Show threadJames WellsNov 22
@raphaelmorgan
Usually when it is company policy they will say something like "At our company Linux is not an option" or "Our company policy does not allow Linux" or some variant of that. When they say it without indicating that it is company policy, it usually means they have a specific app that they need and don't think they can find something compatible.
@ralf @vowe
Show threadMorgan ⚧️Nov 22
@nikatjef @ralf @vowe do you have any sort of data to back this up, or is this just an assumption you're making? Humans are a very diverse species, I'm willing to bet there are some people who just didn't feel their specific reason was relevant but it still was something along the lines of "it's company policy"
Show threadJames WellsNov 22

@raphaelmorgan
Just experience over the past 30+ years.

Many times, if it was company policy they would say it was company policy. If it wasn't company policy, but a specific app instead, they would say it was because of an package they needed.
@ralf @vowe

Show threadRalf Nov 22
@nikatjef @raphaelmorgan @vowe It is company policy: either Windows or a Mac. As Mac doesn’t come with Intel processors anymore and I (still) need an Intel/AMD processor for a bunch of native code, I‘m bound to Windows on Intel/AMD.
Show threadMorgan ⚧️Nov 22
@ralf @nikatjef @vowe now to see if this data point makes its way into the "30+ years of experience" or gets conveniently forgotten 🤔
Show threadArnd LayerNov 18
@vowe
How many revisions per month?
Show threadDuncan BluesNov 18
@vowe Vorbestellungslink wo?
Show threaddnNov 18
@vowe Appropriate (English) expression: "the best way to quit is to never start".
Always consider: will I 'own' this product, or will the provider own me?
Show threadZeborahNov 21

@dn It's not like anyone *chooses* to start using Copilot. You just get to work one morning, login as usual, and there it is making "helpful" suggestions at you.

You turn it off but next week it pops up in a new place.

I swear I'd turned it off everywhere but this week I was working from home using the web mail app and sure enough, there it was again!

I'm not sure a book is useful for keeping on top of it. Maybe an RSS feed that can post regular updates of which obscure corner of the settings you need to hunt through *today*.

@vowe

Show threaddnNov 22
@zeborah @vowe MSFT is not one of my beneficiaries. Regret am unable to offer advice - although, do you think Co-Pilot might know?
Had to update a Win11 m/c and was slightly taken-aback to be told my next tea-break should last 45-minutes ("do not turn off" aka do not expect to use YOUR PC...).
I think the time I've spent keeping my Linux system (manually) up-to-date for the last couple of years combined, would be close to 45-mins (and am recalling only one reboot!)
Show threadZeborahNov 22

@dn I wasn't asking for advice. I was attempting to humorously push back on your implication that all Copilot problems could be solved if individuals made better (meaning all Linux all the time) life choices.

I love my Linux computer too (though it certainly has rebooted several times in the last year alone for updates but whatever) but sadly I need to pay the bills, which means I need a job, and my workplace requires us to use Windows, which in turn keeps shoving Copilot down our throats.

Please just let people rant about things occasionally without turning it into a FOSS/Linux Evangelism Moment(TM) every time, because spoiler alert, life is more complicated than that.

Show threaddnNov 22
@zeborah More a case of agreeing with you - MSFT need to improve. User Experience (and choice) would be a great first step!
Show threadErik AblesonNov 21
@vowe @buxuyaojieguo This is going to be one those books with lots of editions as we play whack-a-mole here
Show threadhyperrealNov 21
@vowe I just got a new Android phone, and I had to uninstall the Copilot app TWICE for some reason. Probably some Play Store update BS. Hopefully it stays uninstalled, but given Google's and Microsoft's track record on consent, I'm not betting on it. Can't wait for a Murena /e/OS ROM to become available for my phone.
Show threadCrovanianNov 21
@vowe that cover is impeccable
Show threadYaqub. MNov 21
@vowe the title 👌
Show threadbstowNov 21
@vowe Congrats on winning the infinite job security game.
Show threadnixFREAKNov 21
@vowe ha ha fantastic
Show threadObbie KingNov 21

@vowe My manuscript:

All Micro$oft products are viruses. Don't use them.

Use something else. There are reasonable user-friendly alternatives for every one of their products that matters.

Show threadMike FraserNov 22
@vowe Let me know when it's out.
Show threadthe gripe ibisNov 22

@vowe my side hustle is obsessively checking every product i use and account i have, after every update, to see what new sort of data-harvest has been enabled or opted into and if it's possible to turn it off.

and by side hustle, i mean something i feel obligated to do, to avoid a persistent feeling of actual dread.

Show threadgkrnoursNov 22
@vowe an ourobouros on the cover would have been fitting
Show threadgürkan �’ :catlong_head_left::catlong_h::catlong_end_right:Nov 22
@vowe
Show threadRo Laren RED57🥄💩🦨🍈🍊🤡Nov 22
Can you deliver by Christmas? @fallingrock may want this.
Show threadJohn UlrikDec 19
@vowe Can we also have a Firefox edition? Please? Or at least an appendix? 😁