CalandielNov 15
Tuta

Swiss surveillance could become worse than US

If passed, chat, email & VPN providers from #Switzerland must:

🚨 Log IP addresses
🚨 Ask for ID upon sign up
🚨 Decrypt data upon request

Swiss Bundesrat is still discussing this draft bill, decision will likely be made in 2026.

Let's fight for #privacy! 👉 https://tuta.com/blog/switzerland-surveillance-plan

Nov 15 at 3:42pmWeb
Show threadkuro  Nov 15
@Tutanota Online Safety Act 2.0
Show threadDawn Tåke 🌙 Nov 15
@Tutanota
I wonder which corporation wants that data. Or is just that pissy about Proton et al.
Show threadmaya_b 🇨🇦Nov 15

@Tutanota

well looking at pricing, and the renewal for my existing services in 2 weeks, I know what I'm spending on. (migrating)

Show threadRoo E.Nov 15
@Tutanota Meanwhile, here in the EU, they're readying Chat Control for another run. What did we do to deserve this timeline? 
Show thread7osNanosNov 15
@Tutanota After all that I hope big companies will understand and will not start to cry and ask from the governments mandatory laws so people have! To use their technology products because they loosing money and power because many people will stop or don't want to use them any more...
Show thread怨霊redvelvetNov 15
@7osNanos @Tutanota i thought this was already how it is in the US 2025
Show thread7osNanosNov 15
@asbestos_chan @Tutanota I don't know how is to live in US, and I hope I never learn because if in top 5 of cities with homeless people US have 2 two cities something is not going well.
Show thread怨霊redvelvetNov 16
@7osNanos @Tutanota yeahhh
Show threadAlex SemёnovNov 15

@Tutanota

Switzerland has quickly gone from being the country with the best internet laws to the country with the worst.

Show threadxirahNov 15
@SemenovSherin @Tutanota Switzerland never had the best internwt laws, that was always a myth.
Show threadMakeNov 15
@frauxirah @SemenovSherin @Tutanota do we know which country has the best laws?
Show threadxirahNov 15
@markku @SemenovSherin @Tutanota At the moment probably not one country but the EU. They certainly have stricter privacy laws than 🇨🇭.
Show threadtschigiNov 15
@frauxirah @markku @SemenovSherin @Tutanota
Oh sure, and you all here talking like Pro‘s and use #Apple and #Google and #Meta „services“. Welcome in the „social world“ you‘re not capable to grasp what it‘s doing to you already. Wow. Dream on. 🤣
Show threadaplleNov 15
@Tutanota proton mail?
Show threadSassinake! ᑐ ∪ ∩ ⊂Nov 15

@Tutanota

yes, learning that, it killed proton for me.

Show threadElchapatNov 15
@Tutanota
Show threadOrange GentlemanNov 15
@Tutanota does absolutely nothing but restrict freedoms under the illusion of security. Directly paves the way for a techno fascist authoritarian police state
Show threadGinette DincarNov 15
@Tutanota
Not only do these people want to control your thoughts, they also want to steal your ideas : hence the decrypting.
Show threadHowieBNov 15
@Tutanota
Show threadPablo Majster Nov 15

@Tutanota Why do I get the feeling that lately, in so many countries, new regulations are popping up with only one purpose - to erode privacy 🔓? It feels like a bad joke. I can't keep up anymore.

I wish I could fight them all at once, put pressure everywhere 🌍, no matter where I live. But I don't have the time. I'm already drowning in an endless to-do list.

Why couldn't the government set a different deadline? Why are they so determined to push this through? My mind can't wrap around it  I just hope they come to their senses and never implement it 🙏

#Privacy #HumanRights #Switzerland #SwissPrivacy #EU #ChatControl #FightChatControl #UK #OnlineSafetyAct #AgeVerification #Surveillance #StopSurveillance

Show thread🎹 Your Masto in April 🎹Nov 15

@Tutanota Oh fuck! What does this mean for all the Swiss-based privacy and security platforms, like Proton?

I mean, Proton's CEO Andy Yen already showed his true colors by advocating for Trump's support of little guy "tech startups" (read: Sillycon Valley broligarchs), so I'm already transitioning out of Proton's ecosystem.

Update: See thread below. I'm incorrect with the above statement regarding Proton's CEO.

Show threadSarNov 15

@mast0d0nphan

Christ, this BS again?

https://medium.com/@ovenplayer/does-proton-really-support-trump-a-deeper-analysis-and-surprising-findings-aed4fee4305e

TL; DR: He most certainly did NOT advocate for Trump in any manner.

I wish this ill-informed "take" would just die at this point. I'm sick of having to post the above link.

Does Proton really support Trump? A deeper analysis (and surprising findings)

Recently, allegations surfaced on Reddit that Proton (or at least Proton’s CEO) supports Trump. Hillary Keverenge from Tech-Issues Today…

Medium
Show threadSarNov 15

@mast0d0nphan

And as for Proton, they're already in the process of moving their operations to Germany as a result of Switzerland going full on data-Nazis.

Show thread🎹 Your Masto in April 🎹Nov 15
@Sar Good to know. Do you have an article confirming this?
Show threadSarNov 15

@mast0d0nphan

https://www.webpronews.com/proton-relocates-to-germany-norway-over-swiss-surveillance-laws-2/

In news to me, they're also apparently moving to Norway as well. I think they're moving product by product, and they've started with their AI chatbot, Lump, which has moved to Germany already AFAIK.

Proton Relocates to Germany, Norway Over Swiss Surveillance Laws

Proton is relocating its infrastructure from Switzerland to Germany and Norway due to proposed surveillance laws that could mandate user data retention, threatening its privacy commitments. This shift, starting with its AI chatbot, aims to mitigate legal uncertainties. The move highlights global tensions between privacy tech and regulatory pressures.

WebProNews
Show thread🎹 Your Masto in April 🎹Nov 15
@Sar Thanks for providing the article. It's a well-informed piece. Apologies for perpetuating my misinfo.
Show threadHubertManneNov 15
I feel like the us is going to be the new worse than. china, russia, north korea is out and us is in. Makes sense considering.
Show threadDonCCNov 15
@Tutanota wonder why there was a recent USA/swiss deal?
https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consumer/details-swiss-us-trade-deal-could-emerge-friday-2025-11-14/
Show threadJosh GriffithsNov 15

@Tutanota I'm sure this is a complete coincidence:

"Switzerland wins US tariff rate cut to 15%, pledges $200 billion in US investments"

https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consumer/details-swiss-us-trade-deal-could-emerge-friday-2025-11-14/

Show threadDanNov 15
@Tutanota Really curious about what this means for Quad9. I'd hate to have to find another DNS provider.
Show threadBill ZaumenNov 15

@Tutanota Just out of curiosity, if you use your own email client and send GPG/PGP encrypted email, how does an email provider decrypt it?

Sometimes encryption is a necessity even if privacy isn't an issue. Example: I've used encryption to send a JAR file to a friend for testing: he had a gmail account and Google
doesn't allow JAR files as email attachments to "protect the user". This hid it from
Google's software. It wasn't really secret - the password was in the email's text.

Show threadюрка Nov 15
@Tutanota what can i do?
Show threadDonCCNov 15

@Tutanota

i'll learn from anywhere, anyone.. thanks

Show threadAnnaNov 16
@Tutanota What will this mean for @protonprivacy ?
Show thread@iveylineNov 16
@Tutanota Remember the Fichenpolizei from back in the 1990s in Switzerland? It was a personal data collection scandal at the time I was based there for a brief time.
Show threadJunicastNov 16
@Tutanota die armen Schweitzer
Show threadDigitalDiggerNov 16
@Tutanota So US no way, Switzerland neither and EU? Not anymore they are also building mass surveillance laws. This trend is worrying. I already have my emails in Norway, my docs and pictures are in Swtzerland in Infomaniak, I will now start to look for alternative.
Show threadTuchowskiNov 16
@Tutanota No joke, unfortunately.
Show threadEdgarNov 18

@Tutanota They sure as hell won’t change their bank privacy laws, potentially exposing the crimes of billionaire and political elites.

Will dump Proton and mag on their brand if this BS passes.

Don’t try to lick the vic. We’re privacy focused and hella vocal #protonmail #DataPrivacy #CybersecurityandDataProtection