herseycokguzelolacakOct 30

Almost 100,000 young men flee Ukraine in two months

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Almost 100,000 young men flee Ukraine in two months - Lemmy

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Show threadPMmeTrebuchetsOct 30
So what happens when Ukraine loses? Are we at war with Russia then?
Show threadCowbee [he/they]Oct 30
NATO can’t field an actual war against Russia, NATO countries don’t have the industrial capacity to do so. NATO has big scary tools, but not many of them, and in a protracted war where the industrial power wins Russia would win out. It would be very bloody, long, and NATO would lose, so it’s unlikely that there will be all-out war.
Show threadDiplomjodlerOct 30
Russia has had its ass kicked with western hand-me-downs. Once they roll out the real kit, the whole thing will be over within days.
Show threadCowbee [he/they]Oct 30
Russia is winning now, and hasn’t fielded the “real kit” either. NATO just does not have the productive capacity to field a long term war. I’m not sure why warmongers like yourself keep thinking there’s going to be a grand turning point, in a decade when we look back on this event I fear the warmongers will say they knew the outcome all along.
Show threadglimseOct 30
Why do you think NATO would need a long term war to deal with Russia?
Show threadCowbee [he/they]
Because it can’t win a short-term war unless it goes nuclear, and then everyone loses.
Oct 30 at 5:47pmWeb
Show threadglimseOct 30
And why can’t it win a short-term war?
Show threadCowbee [he/they]Oct 30
Because it doesn’t have the power to take down an industrialized nuclear power like Russia in a short term war. I don’t see what you’re imagining here.
Show threadglimseOct 30
What makes you think they don’t have the power
Show threadCowbee [he/they]Oct 30
Because western countries do not have the industrial capacity for a long-term war nor the ability to topple a country as large as Russia in the short term.
Show threadglimseOct 30

You are a master at dodging the question, I’ll give you that!

Show threadCowbee [he/they]Oct 30
I never dodged anything. No power on the planet has the ability to overtake a country as large as Russia, a nuclear-armed Russia at that, in a short-term war. Invading Russia is notoriously difficult, and the neighboring countries with land bridges do not have the ability to field a large offensive, except China, which is an ally.
Show threadIsoKieroOct 30

Last time they tried our grandparents took 105 days to beat Russia with very little formal military and even less hardware. Sure, we had some help back then too, but today it’s on a whole different level. And we’re just a single small country up north, NATO as a whole is quite a bit bigger.

Russia currently has lost million soldiers and stockpiles of soviet relics are pretty much empty with a strong breeze away from total economy collapse. They don’t have power to conquer a potato field from a modern western country right now, much less against the whole global west.

Show threadCowbee [he/they]Oct 30
This is entirely divorced from reality. Modern western countries have hollowed out their industry, and can’t fight a true war against a peer country that’s actually industrialized. Russia’s economy is doing well, and they have strong trade through BRICS.