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CafePlease Oct 25

⚯ Michel de Cryptadamus ⚯

the #FBI is now officially visiting the homes of people spotted at protests like #NoKings, #ICE, etc.

it boggles the mind that there are people at #protests in the US who, upon finding #FBI agents at their door asking “do you have a few minutes to talk about the protests?” answer with anything other than “do you have a warrant?” followed by a polite request that they leave your property.

this isn’t complicated. you need to shut the fuck up. the #5thAmendment exists for a reason. shutting the fuck up cannot be used against you, for any reason, ever. not shutting the fuck up will never help you. it can only hurt you.

any false statement to the FBI can be charged as a crime. even if you just forgot. even if you mix up the order of events. even if you tell the truth but the agents find another person whose story contradicts yours. even if you tell the truth but the agents misremember what you said (!!!).

talking to the FBI is much more legally perilous than talking to the police (and you shouldn’t do that either). talking to Kash Patel's FBI is far more perilous than talking to the old FBI.

i know it’s hard. you want to be helpful. you think if you stay silent they'll find you suspicious. you want to explain yourself. it’s a very natural human thing and that’s exactly what they’re going to use against you. so here’s a helpful script you can follow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqo5RYOp4nQ

literally every single lawyer in the united states will tell you exactly what i’m telling you now. tell a friend. tell all your friends. tell random people you see on the street.

and shut. the. fuck. up.

don't be like this guy, who helpfully stepped out of his house to chat with the FBI outside the range of audio recording for most of an hour: https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/video-fbi-agents-visit-anti-ice-protester

#STFU #shutTheFuckUp #PSA #uspol #uspolitics #KashPatel #law #lawfedi

⚯ Michel de Cryptadamus ⚯Oct 25

2/ don't take my word for it, here's a criminal defense attorney and a former police officer walking through all the reasons you should not talk to the police, and every point these guys make in the lecture is one thousand times more relevant when it comes to the #FBI / #DOJ under #KashPatel and #PamBondi.

the lecture includes a helpful example where the lawyer successfully entraps almost everyone in the class into saying the kind of thing that could land you in prison if you were talking to the FBI. it's not hard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE

#5thAmendment #lawfedi #law #uspol

Don't Talk to the Police

Regent Law Professor James Duane gives viewers startling reasons why they should always exercise their 5th Amendment rights when questioned by government off...

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Maggie Maybe Oct 26

@cryptadamist I saw a video this morning taken by a doorbell camera where two men claiming to be with the FBI came to question a dude about a protest he went to this past summer. The fool invited them inside until one of his roommates woke up from the living room and told him no.

But the puzzling part was why answer the door in the first place?

Maybe it’s because I’m a woman who lives alone but if I’m not expecting anyone I don’t even go downstairs when someone knocks at my door. If they’re dropping off a package I’m going to wait for them to drive away before I go out there. (Not because I’m particularly paranoid, I started doing it during the first year of Covid and I saw no reason to stop. And now, fuck no.)

I don’t want to talk to religious people trying to colonize or convert me, I don’t want to talk to the Kirby vacuum people who came twice in 2020 trying to come in to vacuum my floors even though they could see that they’re vinyl. My friends are not disrespectful sothey would never just drop by without calling or texting first. There is literally no reason for me to open my door for strangers.

Why do people do this? Is it weird extroversion??

Maggie Maybe Oct 26

@cryptadamist I feel so dumb, I really need to learn to scroll up when I read an interesting post. You knew exactly what I was talking about because you posted it 😂😂

Andreas Burger Oct 25

@cryptadamist i had always the impression, fbi agents are somewhat thrustworthy. seems i was wrong

⚯ Michel de Cryptadamus ⚯Oct 25

@aburgerabz they're far more trustworthy and far smarter than the local police in almost all cases, but that doesn't matter here because if kash tells them to do knock & talks of people at protests they're going to do it. that's not an illegal order by any definition.

and ofc it always bears repeating that in the middle of the 20th century the FBI was pretty much indistinguishable from a fascist state police. things are a lot better now but plenty of FBI agents are still cut from the old cloth.

Andreas Burger Oct 25

@cryptadamist do you can provide some sources?
because, if this is teally hard fact, this would have implications for cooperation in interpol and international help in court cases

⚯ Michel de Cryptadamus ⚯Oct 25

@aburgerabz sources for what exactly?

Andreas Burger Oct 26

@cryptadamist for examples of those cases where fbi agents are going after protesters, because just a video is not a prove these days to start officisl discussions in other countrys

@aburgerabz @cryptadamist It’s constitutional law. I know the supreme court is a joke now, but we still have state courts and judges, and public and private attorneys protecting peoples rights at all levels of government. 5th amendment is a great and necessary right to have. Charging someone with a crime is easy when people wave this right. Recanting later seemingly puts the burden of proof back on the suspect (not so much innocent until proven guilty at this point).

Blindly trusting authority is a dangerous thing: police are people, and not all people, including police, are inherently good. There is a really gross subculture in American policing as well.

@cryptadamist @aburgerabz not with current administration. They fired the good guys and replaced the head with cronies

⚯ Michel de Cryptadamus ⚯Oct 26

@Azulrin @aburgerabz yeah but it takes a long time to train up an FBI agent. they can swap out the guys in the charge but it takes more than 4 years to swap out the workforce.

Tony 💉x10 🇦🇺Oct 25

@aburgerabz @cryptadamist Why do you think so? Haven't you heard how FBI infiltrated civil right groups?

"Mediocre Bunny" Evelyn Oct 26

@aburgerabz @cryptadamist @kongakong My favorite mid-20th C. FBI story:
Quakers were involved with a lot of Civil Rights & anti-Vietnam War activism; so, oc, they were infiltrated by the FBI. A person of interest came to their attention, as he was often referred to or quoted; and he seemed to command a great deal of influence. He was a bit of a shadowy figure, as no FBI personnel had seen Fox in person; and they opened an FBI file to investigate him…
*\

"Mediocre Bunny" Evelyn Oct 26

@aburgerabz @cryptadamist @kongakong …The FBI closed that file when their investigation revealed that George Fox was the guy who founded the Quaker religion. In 1652.

*my source on that is Quaker scuttlebutt/urban legend. For more documentable MCM FBI derring don’t, look up Leonard Peltier; or else go straight to the horse’s (ass’s) mouth with J. Edgar Hoover.

Jargoggles Oct 25

@aburgerabz @cryptadamist
FBI agents, like all cops, want to close cases more than they want to get all the details right. If what you tell them fits a vaguely similarly shaped hole in the case they're building, they'll put you in it.

teledyn 𓂀 Oct 25

Did no one else read The Incredible Lightness of Being? Or even watch the movie?

ShadSterling Oct 25

@cryptadamist my first thought was they can’t possibly interview/harass every one of the 7 million people who attended a No Kings event.

Then I remembered how many people they’re planning to deport.

Resistor McResistanceFace Oct 25

"what a pussy" - the FBI agent who had a busy morning prior, black vanning two GAZA supporters to undisclosed locations

kikebenlloch Oct 25

@cryptadamist Total classic: Regent Law Professor James Duane's "Don't Talk to the Police" speech
https://redirect.invidious.io/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE

Select instance - Invidious

Michael Potter Oct 25

@cryptadamist Very educational, thank you.

noplasticshower Oct 25

@cryptadamist intimidation tactics will utterly backfire with the American public

⚯ Michel de Cryptadamus ⚯Oct 26

@noplasticshower possibly, but in the meantime a few people who didn't shut the fuck up are going to have their lives ruined

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#FBI: Going to the homes of #NoKings and #AbolishICE protesters

Tell them politely that it is totally inappropriate in a democracy, and ask them if they shouldn't they be ashamed of themselves for letting themselves be used politically.

Ask them if they remember the oath of office they took as a recruit.

If you like. Jot down the names of all agents, Ask spelling.

Graciously decline further comment, because of the unethical nature of the questions.

troy_friz_zell Oct 26

@rexi @cryptadamist

Umm... That's not keeping silent.

Ask for the warrant. When they say they don't have one, say you won't talk without a lawyer. That is all. Don't ask anything. Do not answer anything. Close the door.

⚯ Michel de Cryptadamus ⚯Oct 26

@troy_frizzell @rexi make sure you ask them to leave the property before closing the door. ideally get the request on audio or video in case they decided to keep poking around looking in windows etc (but don't do anything to stop them, just make the request and close the door).

In Search of a Better World Oct 25

Remember #ShutTheFuckUp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWEpW6KOZDs

NLG Know Your Rights reminder: Shut the f*** up!

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⚯ Michel de Cryptadamus ⚯Oct 25

@CrypticMirror immortal. here's the same #ShutTheFuckUp video on the everything app.

https://x.com/ScottHech/status/1893368021470847215

Scott Hechinger (@ScottHech) on X

Sage wisdom from two experienced legal aid attorneys. In any interaction with police or law enforcement: “Shut the f*ck up.”

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emeritrix Oct 26

ETA: lol I belatedly realized this has already been posted twice in this thread, but it is such a classic, I'm leaving it here. thx

advice from the national lawyers guild
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWEpW6KOZDs

NLG Know Your Rights reminder: Shut the f*** up!

Please Watch! Advice from experienced National Lawyers Guild attorneys.Thanks to Three Lyons Creative for helping the Detroit & MI NLG create this important...

YouTube

Jersey Girl Oct 26

Uugh. Thank god I escaped the states!

ΞVΞ🦋Oct 26

@cryptadamist I can’t imagine anyone just gleefully talking to the FBI just because they showed up at their door. Definitely should *not* be doing that

"Mediocre Bunny" Evelyn Oct 26

@cryptadamist So, when the rabbit in Monty Python & the Holy Grail asks “What’s your favorite color?,” and the reply “Green… No, blue!” gets the guy yeeted screaming into oblivion, the rabbit was playing by FBI rules?

Frank Bennett 🇯🇵Oct 26

@cryptadamist I was visited at home by law enforcement (CIA) as a teenager, after I dropped my brother off at the Soviet Embassy in SF to ask about Intourist tours to Central Asia. How times have changed. Also, how times have not changed.

aardvark Oct 27

@cryptadamist gonna have to think about how to invite them in for a Bible study

Dan Sugalski Oct 27

@cryptadamist I am amused that the video link I was gonna post as a reply is the one you already had in the post.

Remember kids -- never talk to the cops, and if you have it's never too late to stop.

⚯ Michel de Cryptadamus ⚯Oct 27

@wordshaper it's been posted like 4 times in the replies but one more time never hurt.

Dan Sugalski Oct 27

@cryptadamist Nah, I'll do the unusual thing and forbear repeating something that's been posted in the replies multiple times and also posted in the original message. (Which I realize is very un-fediverse but some days you want to buck tradition and all that)

John Breen Oct 27

@cryptadamist I've been to at least 20 #NoKings protests, several holding a sign that says "ICE is a Gestapo". I've published video of me doing it. I'm going to do it again. Awaiting my visit.

⚯ Michel de Cryptadamus ⚯Oct 27

@jab01701mid i support this

@cryptadamist
WTAF is going on in America these days? Has it become a Stasi camp?

⚯ Michel de Cryptadamus ⚯Oct 30

@Sonic2k at least for undocumented immigrants, yes. for everyone else, not yet, but it's trending in that direction.

@cryptadamist
That is unbelievable...