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Levka Sep 28

Bourgeois feminists tell us that the purpose of patriarchy is to enable men to oppress women. That's not its purpose. That's its mechanism. It's purpose is to enable men to oppress other men. And it's working.

Many, some say most, men find it easier to be oppressed at work if, when they get home after work, they can oppress their wives and daughters. It makes them feel like they're not on the bottom rung of hierarchy.

All hierarchies oppress us at work. This one follows us home.

Jackie Oct 5

@LevZadov @lillyfinch

The purpose of patriarchy is to preserve the sexual division of labor, and maintain the existence of a category of labor that is unpaid and unrecognized by the rest of the economy

Carolannie Sep 28

@lillyfinch I would amend that to "everything bad a man does" because men celebrate themselves as heroes for the good they do

Edited for grammar, sorry I wasn't awake

@carolannie not sure I understand…..what is the “good” they do you are referring too?

Carolannie Sep 28

@lillyfinch men do good things. Just as all of us do. Its just that they blame us for the bad things they do, as in "see what you made me do!" Ever since that Biblical story of Adam and Eve. And God let him get away with it!

@carolannie got it…sorry older brain sometimes it doesn’t click Thanks😊

Akkana Peck Sep 28

@lillyfinch Although I certainly agree with the patriarchy blame thing, the two "turnings" don't seem parallel. Isn't feminism at its root the belief that women are equal and should be treated as such? Shouldn't most fair-minded people already think that, without needing to be pushed in that direction by far-right cavemen?

Maybe if it said "radical feminism" (whatever that is), or "the far left", or some term for general anti-male sentiment, it would ring more true to me.

@akkana @akkana @akkana @akkana well in my 73 years of experience….because of patriarchy, women have not been equal. Feminism is about equality and the patriarchy made it a dirty word. I get where you are going but I think feminism is the correct word. The only correction I would make is “The patriarchy says” because sane people get the concept of equality for all.

JakobT Oct 3

@lillyfinch @akkana
I strongly believe in equal rights/opportunities for men and women and qualify to be called a feminist. Yet, I don't use the word. If it means equal rights/opportunities for men and women, then masculismn should mean the same, but that obviously does not work. Neither of the two words is neutral. I know this is only a battle of words and likely a lost one, just want to mention it. It would not surprise me if some men are simply put off by the word, but not the meaning.

Akkana Peck Oct 4

@jakobtougaard @lillyfinch You're right that the word "feminist" has a lot of negative connotations. I went to a college where it meant that only women's opinions mattered, all men are rapists so they should just shut up and listen. For a long time I didn't consider myself a feminist. Years later, a mentor said "of course I'm a feminist, I believe in women's equality", and I thought, "what a totally reasonable attitude!" and got over my distaste for the word. But I do get why it bothers people.

Mx Verda Oct 4

@lillyfinch @akkana I'm gonna do the phrasing pedantry thing, but I swear it's with a purpose. Also you said your age so I'll share I'm in my 30s.

It's not sanity / mental health or mental illness that determines perspective on human "worth". It's willingness to excuse cruelty, or inability to fight cruelty, or something(s) similar.

I only mention cuz someone asked me about some phrasing I used for an off-taste joke once and I really appreciated it. (Not that you have to here, just explaining my reasoning.)

... yes, I'm very autistic and tired of the internet.

Leeloo Sep 29

@akkana @lillyfinch
Why are you trying to make it ring true to you?

It's propaganda intended to make feminism look bad in the eyes of men, as well as the women who support the patriarchy. Because the thought of equality is exactly what the ruling class hate.

Even if they sometimes say radical feminism, that's based on equality being a radical shift aeay from the world they want.

tj usiyan Sep 28

@lillyfinch @timberwraith Said another way “Why did you make me do this to you?”

DARVO

@samiamsam never saw that one before thank you

lagaya Sep 29

@lillyfinch Everything is women's fault. Even autism. If it was genetic, men might be the cause as well as women. But they've found a way to make that all women's doing, too.

Reg Sep 29

Patriarchy and social hierarchy are both facets of the Abrahamic religion that was violently imposed on European populations by their then leaders, presumably to provide religious validation to their rule.

Abrahamic religion is not an indigenous religion.

Stefan Björk Oct 4

@ReggieHere @lillyfinch Because patriarchy didn't already exist in those indigenous religions?

Reg Oct 6

@drbjork

Social hierarchies certainly existed with patriarchy likely foremost among them, but the indigenous religions themselves were polytheistic and animist and did not have the structured hierarchy of monotheism.

Ryick Sep 29

@lillyfinch I think, to some degree, that “young men are turning to the far right because of feminists” is true, but only a partial truth, and said in a way that labels feminism as the issue, rather than the response of the young men to feminism. Read the correct way, young men are often not mature enough to realize that their natural response to feminism is wrong. Generalizing, of course.

Catherine Schmidt Sep 29

@ryick l their “natural “ response to feminism is wrong…so it is natural for them to dislike women as equal? Not sure what you are getting at. There has been 1000s of years of indoctrination as a result of brute strength and religion into the idea women are less than men on all levels. So is that natural? or just religious and cultural bias? Or just primate, hierarchical male behavior? Whatever “it” is ….we need to evolve And yes, your are right, feminism isn’t the problem…😊

Ryick Sep 29

@lillyfinch I think that there is a natural response of some kind that is occurring. Perhaps not men disliking woman as their equal, specifically, but a response, when directed towards women, ends with that as a result.

Rhetoric, whether in the form of religion or cultural bias, exploits this natural response and can direct it.

Don’t get me wrong, evil does exist—there are men that genuinely hate women, but I have found that evil is far more rare than the masses they control.

Catherine Schmidt Oct 5

@ryick well I am sure that the many women targeted by serial killers, beaten in abusive relationship, stalked and raped would say that it is that is evil and not eo rare, actually quite common. I won’t go into the total suppression of women in Afghanistan…but I am too tired right now to argue over something that I see as quite obvious…,if you will, male entitlement needs to end and a balance of the feminine and masculine instilled.

Ryick Oct 5

I agree that the behavior, regardless of understanding, is evil and should not be allowed to exist. In the case of immaturity, I seek justice, but in the case of the individual knowing the ethics involved but still choosing evil, I seek destruction. For me, it’s a question of how severe the response should be—not that there should be no response in the case of immaturity.

I 100% agree with your last statement.