I really wish corporations/society were more understanding that you cannot make someone into a "morning person".

"We want you here first thing in the morning!"

No, you don't. I'll be grumpy, mean, slow, and disinterested in the aesthetics you want me to reinforce.

I'm a programmer, not a barista. Either you don't need me at 6 AM, or you need to pay me overtime because if you NEED me something is very wrong.

@TheZeldaZone Oof. I am retired and still pop out of bed by 7 am at the latest.

But I am no good at coding until I've spent at least 30 minutes faffing around on slashdot (and Mastodon..)

@lemgandi @TheZeldaZone If I'm not on Trazadone I won't sleep past 5:30...tops. I also don't go to bed until like midnight earliest.

It also doesn't matter what time you rouse me, or if I'm already aroused, you're getting the grump version. My coding abilities also remain unchanged.

@TheZeldaZone talk to me before Noon and expect to get hurt, badly.
@TheZeldaZone as a morning person I’m sorry that my kind makes your life harder. (I’m one of those devs who get into the office before 7:30am, also I’m not usually first or second.)

Ideally, morning people come in early and do their solo stuff; then evening people come in and the joint knowledge gets shared; then the morning people go home and the evening people do their solo stuff and write up any discoveries for tomorrow’s morning people…

This works so well for anything but literal machine shifts! For a while I worked in a huge company that allowed this and because of international offices we were working literally around the clock.

@xgebi @TheZeldaZone

@clew Though I don't think I've ever met a "midday" person.
@xgebi @TheZeldaZone

@Flux

Hi!

Best work done 1330-1700.

I like splatting little problems in the mornings - checking up on things - and then once lunched, having a good unobstructed block of time where I can do that voodoo that I do.

but then I'm weird that way.

This is why I like being several timezones east of my compatriots...

@clew @xgebi @TheZeldaZone

@TheZeldaZone Sleeping patterns are partially encoded in our brains (due to chronotype or delayed sleep phase syndrome).

Forcing people to function at full capacity during hours that do not match their natural patterns is ableism, accepted by society.

This cost me a good job before, and it sucks.

@TheZeldaZone So a little secret that might help:

The people who expect these things of you are doing them to make themselves feel better. Their reasonings are made up nonsense, but they're probably unaware of this fact. They are more comfortable if they see you there "hard at work" for them.

So in fact THAT is what you are being paid for. You see?

This isn't a malicious compliance thing. This is a recognition of what your employer actually needs from you. What their priorities are.

@TheZeldaZone i'm a victim of this too, can't believe that there aren't any alternatives out there - the world right now really sucks at diversity, and the stupid corporate lip service on this topic isn't helping either
@TheZeldaZone For some reason, and I think it is mainly due to capitalism wanting to set working times, there's a shaming of afternoon/evening people. I recall the old saying: 'Early to bed and early to rise makes a man healthy, wealthy and wise'. It doesn't. I am not particularly a morning or evening person - I can do early morning if I have to, I can do late nights if I have to. But I work best between 8 am and 5 pm. There's also a lauding of people who need less sleep (Churchill, Thatcher).
@TheZeldaZone it's absolutely baffling when you offer someone your best/most functional hours and they don't want them because "that's the way things always have been".

@TheZeldaZone when I was still studying, I asked my dad when I would become okay with mornings like him, and he said 'when you get a "proper" job'.

I've been in full-time work for nearly nine years now, and I still hate getting up early đź« 

@TheZeldaZone I am a morning person as long as I am allowed to wake up at 4:30 am to watch the stars, make tea, eat breakfast, and calmly prepare for my day while peacefully watching the sunrise. Followed by 3 hours of deeper sleep and a long hot shower. Give me that and I love the mornings.

@TheZeldaZone I'm only a "morning person" if I pull an all-nighter. And then I'm quite likely to be going straight to bed and sleeping a scant 3-4 hours until noon.

Though I much prefer my current schedule of going to bed around 2AM and waking around noon. Yes, that's right, I awake under duress after about 10-12 hours.

@TheZeldaZone I have long argued that primary school is a place not for learning anything interesting, it is just a place to train humans to get up too early and then sit still at a desk for long hours.

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It's all about control, having power over people, the same kind of stuff that kings and other rulers get their jollies off to.

I am not a morning person either but my boss won't have any of it. it's his loss anyway.. if the tosspot cannot understand how people's bodies and minds work.