If you still have an account on academia.edu, you should probably delete it.

I'm not sure how their new terms are legal: they give the site the right to use your data *in any manner*. This is mainly to help them scrape academic work and republish/mangle parts of it through AI without credit: but these terms go way beyond that into your likeness, your voice, even your signature.

Please boost this to academics you know. Further PSA elements in thread:

#academia #science #history #universities

Further PSA 1, how to do account deletion on Academia.edu without agreeing to the new terms of service on the way:

If you want to delete your account, open academia.edu, do NOT click accept to the new terms, but instead click "privacy policy". You can then go to the top left dropdown menu with your name on it, click "account settings", scroll to the bottom of the page, and there's the account deletion option. You can even leave them a little note if you want though I doubt they'll read it.

Further PSA 2, where do we go instead?

Probably the current best option is Knowledge Commons, which is run as a nonprofit and can be found at hcommons.org (they also run the hcommons.social mastodon server). Knowledge Commons gives you essentially the same profile-building tools as Academia with far less slop and more control over what's going on.

Further PSA 3: Mitigations/Caveats to the above:

- Sites do need a rights clause to be able to share your posts.
- The rights clauses have two limiters: first, you grant rights "in connection with operating and providing the Services": but this explicitly includes making derivative works, which I suspect aren't thus limited.
- Second, Academia agrees not to sell user content for a profit (but, again, derivatives)

I'm unconvinced that these limiters protect against AI-churning content at all.

PSA 3a: Other notes

- As noted earlier, it's possible that a bunch of this stuff is unenforceable in some jurisdictions. I don't advise testing this, lawyers are expensive.
- For comparison, the hcommons terms could do better on delimiters: they could set out more limits on content reuse. One advantage the hcommons ToS has though is that their license to use content stops if you remove the content: conversely the Academia licenses are irrevocable.

(Nb: am not a lawyer, so take my notes w/salt)

@JubalBarca Not for Profit doesn't mean they can't pay their CEO 1billion so they never make a profit. It's a semantics game
@Rasta Yes, of course nonprofits can have issues. I'd nonetheless say I prefer Knowledge Commons, even given that they potentially have issues, over Academia edu, who have repeatedly proven themselves to be an extra level of awful. Something can be meaningfully better while still being far from the ideal.
@JubalBarca Of course. I donate regularly to a charity that is upfront. NOT A NON-PROFIT, a PORTION of the Profit goes to charity, they run a clothing/used furniture business, but do donate a portion to a charity. Rather than thinking all you give goes to charity. Take the best you can find.
@JubalBarca This is what I got when trying to delete.
@lau_kjs how convenient for them πŸ™„
@MxPoesu yeah πŸ˜‘ I'll check again in a couple of hours.
@JubalBarca We go back to hosting our own stuff on our own or our institutional servers.
@Ooze That's obviously an ideal option: some academics do lack funds or, for independent scholars, institutional access, and finding ways to make our own websites and institutions networked and visible is a challenge. All problems we can solve, I think, but it does need and deserve considerable effort.

@JubalBarca All these things are solved problems. The only hurdle to be overcome is the decision to do it.

This reminds me of when someone seriously argued that it would not be possible to run a conference if one didn't use Google docs, that other solutions were just not practical. I was like, we used to run conferences just fine before there were even computers.

It can easily be done. It just needs the will to do it.

@JubalBarca Thank you very much. I finally deleted my account after many years of it lying dormant

@tillgrallert @JubalBarca

I am very very sorry, but it is 'lying', not 'laying'.

I usually can contain the urge, but academia.

@JubalBarca thank you. Academia has become close to useless anyway
@JubalBarca Thank you for posting this! I had missed your follow up about how to get around clicking Accept but I fumbled around and figured that trick out eventually, lol. Account now deleted!
@JubalBarca
Are you talking about Bluesky or Mastodon as well ?
@JubalBarca EU citizens who are using academia.edu and want them to delete everything can invoke GDPR article 17.
@JubalBarca I'm not a legal scholar, or even particularly smart, but at least by my reading of concepts like "ideal rights" etc., as well as what I believe is a pretty global principle that a contract signee must be reasonably able to understand the consequences of the agreement, most of that can't possibly be legal...
@jwcph Yeah, a lot of these sorts of things kind of rely on the average user not having the nous, money, or reading time to challenge them, and the company having serious lawyer muscle, and the terms including a binding consent to arbitration so you can't easily sue them anyway.
@JubalBarca Notice the "city" bit? This is how they populate those "hot singles in your area" things.
@JubalBarca FYI This shitfuckery is what you get once you sign in. No option to not accept the terms and delete your account. However if you click the link to the privacy policy you can get to your account settings and delete your account, but they don't make this clear.
@Ooze Yes, I included that a bit further downthread, didn't have space for it in the OP - it's deeply annoying!
@JubalBarca Thank you for the warning. I just deleted my academia.edu account, telling them that their ToS are a no-go.
@JubalBarca sheesh, thanks for the heads up, that is just unacceptable on their part. Account is deleted.

@JubalBarca But does deleting the account also void that license?  

And wow is that a fucked up clause in a contract. Handing something like this to non-lawyers should be illegal.

#law #legal

@JubalBarca
They also write: "... you hereby grant to Academia.edu a worldwide, irrevocable, royalty-free, non-exclusive, transferable license to exercise any and all rights under copyright, in any medium, and to authorize others to do the same, […] including the generation and hosting of Output and the use of AI to generate adaptations and other derivative works of Member Content, provided that the Member Content is not sold to a third party for a profit."

@JubalBarca
So my questions to academia are:

- Am I understanding correctly that this gives you the right to generate adaptations and derivative works of non-profit works that you can publish commercially?

- If yes, do you trace for-profit content in your training data?

@JubalBarca what is academia.edu?
@elduvelle A sort of social network and repository for papers for academics, but run by a miserably venal commercial company that's increasingly a sea of AI and spam. That they have a .edu address is in itself an oddity from when the systems were first being set up.
@JubalBarca I just deleted my academia.edu account (or at least I think I did).
@JubalBarca That's utterly a big pile of crap... just burn their servers.
@JubalBarca
Coincidentally I just came across this gem from Academia . edu while reading a paper:
@JubalBarca sounds like a typical publication agreement from a commercial publisher (at least those from a decade ago). What’s missing is that they hold you liable for any damage caused to them by publishing your work.
@GeorgWeissenbacher Yeah, I have seen some people go "but that's completely normal/the limiter clauses do prevent them doing completely bizarre stuff with this"... but I don't think this *should* be normal, and I think Academia dot edu's giant academic spam engine is probably something we can all do without really.

@JubalBarca Thanks for the heads-up. I deleted my academia.edu account (was planning to do this for a long time). At least I think so – suspiciously, they didn't send any confirmation mail, nor did they ever inform me about their new terms via e-mail.

Anyway, my current employer (university) has installed a Phaidra server last year, and I have migrated all papers there.

@JubalBarca I can't access my account to download what's there and delete it, without accepting the new T&Cs and Privacy Policy.. πŸ₯΄

(I will not be accepting..)

@clickhere Instructions on this are downthread of my original post - if you click to see the new policy (not the accept button) you should then be able to reach account settings via a menu on the top right of your screen. Deletion is at the bottom of that.

@JubalBarca Aha, thank you. Yes, I saw that drop-down; although, the site won't allow me to access any of my files, image, etc., to download before I delete.

So, I've sent an access request under GDPR, via the contact listed in their non-compliant Privacy Notice..

@JubalBarca raise your hand if you only have an account there because they created a ghost profile of you regardless and you had to join to set shit straight 🀚
@JubalBarca I've been meaning to do this. Thanks for the tips on how to delete it.