Doug Gravy
I think it's time for a new mobile phone, I'm leaning towards a fairphone but the nothing phone does interest me. Anyone have any input? #fairphone #nothingphone #phoneupgrade
Sep 14, 2025 at 1:34pmTusky
Show threadbmaxvSep 14, 2025

@OldTodger

apparently you can also still buy pinephones. not a recommendation, don't have one, i just noticed the website is still online and it's supposedly not out of stock. who knows how true that is...

Show threadj4n3zSep 14, 2025
@bmaxv @OldTodger Pine store is usually up to date with their stocks.
However.
I have OG PinePhone and it is so slow, it's near to unusable - not good for every day use in my opinion. Hardware side of earpiece and microphones is silent and pretty bad if you tend to call anywhere near people (streets, shops, office, etc.)
Also, my PP has undergone exchange of MoBo (dead modem) and display (digitizer peeled off).
PP Pro is about to be ended (low interest) so repairs in future are questionable.
Show threaddasgrueneblattSep 14, 2025
@OldTodger Get a used, refurbished one if you can.
Show threadBrianSep 14, 2025
@OldTodger I would go for the fairphone. Respects workers' rights and the environment. At least to a bigger extent than the Nothing phone. That is about the ethics (Which is what Fairphone goes for.). If you want a phone with top hardware the Fairphone isn't it, but I doubt you use your phone so heavily, 98% of the time the Fairphone is fine hardware-wise, too.
Show threadThijs LucasSep 14, 2025

@OldTodger @WeAreFairphone

I am happy with my FP3. I have had fp1 ans 2 before. The 3 is still so good (enough) that I am not buying the current modell. But i am considering the upgrade because it is No where near as good as today's tech.

I would love to learn about the nothing phone tough.

Show threadX-tofSep 15, 2025
@thijs_lucas @OldTodger @WeAreFairphone if security and an up-to-date OS are part of your decision, here are some facts:
https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/115206890859366102
After I learned that you pay quite some money for a (technically) not too good device and their promise to exchange or even upgrade important parts (besides minor things) never got realized - I switched to the approach: buy more frequently used phones and install a proper OS on them: #GrapheneOS
(The installation is really easy, everyone can do that!)
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@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] Pixel 6 and Fairphone 4 were both released in October 2021. Pixel 6 is currently on Android 16 QPR1 while the Fairphone 4 is still on the initial release of Android 13 from August 2022. Fairphone 4 received Android July 2025 security backports on August 6th, so it doesn't have the August or September High/Critical severity privacy/security patches. It's missing over 3 years of Low/Moderate severity patches not backported to older Android releases.

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Show threadMax - Poliverso ๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡นSep 14, 2025

@OldTodger

I've been using Fairphone since 2020 (FP3, FP5 and now FP6).

What kind of inputs are you looking for?

Show threadDoug GravySep 14, 2025
@max everyone seems to be against the lastest model as it's got Google ai (from what I've read) but you can also run Linux on it? Is it just a more ethical android phone. I was thinking about going in on number 5
Show threadMartin GSep 14, 2025
@OldTodger writing this on a #fairphone4 after three and a half years of usage. Still everything works smoothly and I can imagine to use the phone 7 years. Let's see...
Currently still on #android13 and - if I followed the forums correctly - waiting for #android15 to be released for my phone.
Show threadRenรฉ Seindal (MOVED)Sep 14, 2025

@OldTodger

I'm very happy with my Fairphone 4 with /e/OS.

Show threadNick FSep 14, 2025
@OldTodger I've had a Fairphone 4 for a few years now and am super happy with it. Fully expect it to last for quite a few more years.
Show threadinomfoodSep 14, 2025
@OldTodger As much as it sucks to support Google, it's hard to recommend anything other than a Pixel running GrapheneOS if you care about privacy/security. I love the idea of FP, but they are running a version of android that is over a year out of date. And most stock OS these days have agentic AI that are just essentially Windows recall, monitoring everything on your screen using AI. Linux on phones is cool but not yet realistic as a daily driver for most people.
Show threadLucSep 14, 2025

@OldTodger yesterday I was looking at the Fairphone in a store in Germany since I'm considering it as well. I remember the FP3 was super bulky, but now the FP6 seems a lot better! Similar in size to the Pixel 9 that I'm also considering (but google... even if I can put GrapheneOS on it, idk if I want to support them as much as I do Fairphone)

And you can totally steal it from the store because their security glue mechanism thingy depends on the backside not being removable! Go Fairphone :D

Show threadLucSep 14, 2025

@OldTodger which Nothing are you considering? I just checked my spreadsheet and the only one I've got in there is the Nothing 3. It's more expensive, even bulkier, has no microSD, and reviews said it gets uncomfortably hot (which is something I've minded about my current Galaxy S10e; in summer it can really be uncomfortable on a bus or in the sun). Battery life ~equal to FP6, Nothing has more RAM and 850 instead of 600 benchmark points

Hope that helps :)

Show threadThibaultmol ๐ŸŒˆSep 14, 2025
@OldTodger I have been fairphone since the fairphone 4 (then upgraded to fairphone 5 cause 4 was a bit too slow for me. Plus gave it as a hand-me-down to my mom).
But yeah, honestly I don't really care for any other smartphone unless it's a fairphone.
Perfect? no but the repairability convenience just automatically overrules any of those potential problems.
Show threadฯ†Sep 14, 2025
@OldTodger honestly i higjly reccommend getting a refurbished pixel and installing grapheneos on it
Show threadTyrSep 14, 2025

@OldTodger happy fairphone 5 user here. Would recommend it, even though it rarely needs a reboot.

I've seen new models come with /e/OS too and almost upset my phone works too well to justify an upgrade ๐Ÿ˜‚

Show threadOrb 2069Sep 15, 2025

@OldTodger

I've got a 5 I bought before the US providers stopped allowing them on their networks, and I just haven't got around to selling it yet. Great phone, just can't get decent service here. Any interest?

Show threadJulian FoadSep 15, 2025
@OldTodger Both Fairphone and Nothing phones are interesting hardware options in the realm of Android-compatibles, and worthy of our support in my opinion. Commenting without context, I always ask first who will be holding the keys to the software and services: google? Another company? Me myself? That has a more profound effect than the hardware does on my digital life and those with whom I interact. So, even before I fully degoogled, I would be checking which models are available in google-optional variants through e.g. Murena /e/OS (my current choice) or google-free e.g. LineageOS. Another niche maker in this space is Shiftphones, with more mainstream hardware. Summary: best android-compatible alternative support is for Fairphones, then Shiftphones, and older Nothing phone models at the moment. See: https://wrily.foad.me.uk/freedom-respecting-smart-phone-want-get-have , https://doc.e.foundation/devices , https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/
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