@benroyce "How do we replicate it across the USA?"

We don't. We need to back whoever is the Democratic candidate is, and hopefully that candidate is the one who is most likely to succeed in their voting district/region.

And we should only boost what's good about the Democratic candidates. We should NEVER say, "Hold your nose and vote for them anyway." That is aiding the Republicans. Period.

No, there are naturally flaws in every Democrat. And there's an endless parade of loud voices already

@isaackuo @benroyce

> we should only boost what's good about the Democratic candidates.

No, that's not democracy. "People can make mistakes" is a fundamental argument you need to stand behind.

> We should NEVER say, "Hold your nose and vote for them anyway."

Yes, you should, or you elect fascists.

@lax @benroyce Yes, it IS democracy.

Let's say you have an opinion about how good Lay's Potato Chips are. You think they're middle of the road ... not that great, not that bad.

But for some reason the bulk of people out there say Lay's Potato Chips are worse than week old banana peels.

In order to bring the "average" to what you believe, you don't say Lay's are middling. You say Lay's are great. That's how DEMOCRACY works, for better and worse.

@isaackuo @benroyce no. You say they're imperfect, but they're the best you've got.

When you say democrats are perfect, you support a centrist position instead of your own leftist one. That moves the average to the *right*, not to the left.

@lax @isaackuo

i understand both your and isaac's position

but since you both vote, i have no argument with either of your positions, however either of you arrive at the most important thing: action

the next order is to continue to vote and iterate further left to better. voting of course is the only way to get that

the real problem is broken rationales that convince people not to vote

these are troll psyops, or fundamentally impotent, ineffectual people clinging to immature perfectionism

@hllizi @lax @isaackuo

it should be:

1. primaries: criticize the fuck out of everyone, get left candidates
2. general election: shut the fuck up and vote
3. after the win: criticize the fuck out of everyone

what we get:

1. primaries: nobody shows the fuck up. we get centrist corporate AIPAC candidates
2. general election: endless anger about candidates being crap, suppressing the left turn out. some of it is troll psyop to make this happen on purpose
3. after the loss: whining, cynicism