Is there a consciousness that has different states? Do clams wake up, might be a better question. Maybe clams dream 24/7. Endlessly becoming butterflies. Or writing Taoist sutras.
Does action necessarily mean consciousness? I saw a film of two rows, one of termites, another of ants, facing each other, and behind each outward facing row of shoulder to shoulder ants and termites, are two massive streams of their respective hive mates roaring on their daily duty, kept apart to keep the peace.
Is a termite conscious of their soldier duties preventing war, or of choosing today's position between the streams? Is 'the hive' aware?
We snore, scratch, roll over
Yup! Flies sleep, and they are of course also protostomes, so we know that sleep predates the last common ancestor of clams and people. And I don't think there are examples known of sleep disappearing in any lineage that has it?
Did you see the paper on bothering jellyfish to show they can sleep?
https://authors.library.caltech.edu/records/psp7j-nmv35
Do clams show a slower reaction time and lower activity at different times of day/
Is there a non-toxic chemical they don't like the taste of?
I could imagine an experiment where you flow something they'll close up for and tracking how long it takes for the clam to notice the compound and close.
If the distribution of time to respond looks bimodal, that could be a sign of sleeping.
If we define sleep in terms of brain activity then clams don't sleep because they lack a brain.
That's the challenge. Can that activity be considered sleep or is it just a part of the animal's neural activity that follows a circadian rhythm?
I feel like there is an anthropomorphic element that may be pushing us to label something as "sleep" because we'd like to think gastropods have dreams like we do.
What you suggest is that there may be restful and restorative neurological activities happening. Whether these meet the criteria for sleep, is less clear.
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Indeed cephalopods such as octopus, squid, and cuttlefish have a central brain even though it might only be 1/3 of their nerves with the rest being in the limbs. These animals engage in active sleep, analogous to that found in mammals, including dolphins.
That seems quite different from the various clams who have no brain of any kind and might just react to external stimuli.
I imagine there is likely a continuum where at some point dreaming emerges.
@svavar @dantheclamman One definition of sleep which doesn't require a brain (or dreaming or even a nervous system): "a normal, reversible, recurrent state of reduced responsiveness to external stimulation that is accompanied by complex and predictable changes in physiology. "
https://www.britannica.com/science/sleep
By this definition, even a bacterium could sleep.
Sleep, a normal, reversible, recurrent state of reduced responsiveness to external stimulation that is accompanied by complex and predictable changes in physiology. Sleep contrasts with wakefulness, in which state there is an enhanced potential for sensitivity and an efficient responsiveness to external stimuli.
@dantheclamman Do clams sleep? They are Always asleep which is why they are cultured in beds.
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Ill show myself out.....
@dantheclamman In reply, if they dream, might they then dream great dreams of sun, tide and timeโฆ
We donโt yet understand sentience but dimly; so who knows if they sleep or perchance to dream.
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@dantheclamman what an utterly fascinating thread!
I'm curious about clams' biological rhythms. I would imagine those living in tidal waters align their activity with the tides - would they be right?
And you've got me wondering whether biological activity in freshwater systems generally follows circadian rhythms... (My ignorance is far broader than just clams!)