Was brainstorming dishes for a formal banquet in a space opera set 7000 centuries hence, with a bunch of genengineered animals/crops and a buggy LLM translating the story into today's English (so there are no smeerps, only "rabbits").

So far I have:

Azhdarchid biryani
Microquetzal sashimi

(NB: yes they've been resurrecting extinct dinosaur analogues and eating them.)

Any suggestions for posh nobles showing off their kitchen?

@cstross (I thought that's why we were resurrecting dinosaurs....to eat them? 😉 )

@Lazarou @cstross

I highly recommend reading "A Statue for Father" by Asimov if you haven't before

@cstross there's a possibility that genetic engineering has crossbred different species for the meat. Finally the D&D players get to eat a basilisk?

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Creatures bioengineered with spice glands so they get the deepest possible marinade

@gbargoud @cstross you could just engineer the muscle cells to produce the spices along with the proteins.

Grow the steaks in a vat and slice off chunks with the seasoning embedded in every cell.

@themself @gbargoud Didn't Pohl and Kornbluth write that one in the early 1950s?
@cstross Gros Michel bananas Foster
@cstross they could invite the Gat of Blerontis — after all, a posh meal is defined by the guests.

The medieval thing where you roast a bird and serve it with its feathers back on?

There’s an amazing luxurious macaroni dish in in Lampedusa’s _The Leopard _, but it’s hard to make moderns hear that as fancy..,

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@cstross

If you can forcefeed a goose to get foie gras, you can probably do that to a dinosaur.

There will be some equivalent of ortolans, eaten whole. Something like a small octopus, flashing chromatophores madly as it is eaten while alive. And if these folks have cloning or autowomb technology, why not go full Swiftian?

@dashdsrdash @cstross ie. whats good for the goose is good for the raptor? :-)
@cstross Dodo dal? Passenger pigeon pad thai?
@cstross Something akin to the whole stuffed swan fancies of the middle ages https://www.interesly.com/top-12-weirdest-medieval-food/
@GinevraCat Ah! I need a turducken analog where the largest aviform container organism is a Utahraptor …

@cstross @GinevraCat Charles Phoenix invented the turducken of desserts, the Cherpumple, which is a cherry pie, pumpkin pie, and apple pie, each embedded in cakes, with the cake layers stacked atop each other. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherpumple

I am reminded of an SF short story I read many years ago which was all about the very rich and very cruel dining on very rare animals.

Cherpumple - Wikipedia

@adamrice @GinevraCat It's been done—for real: in 1870 during the Siege of Paris, they slaughtered the zoo animals and dined on them.

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/paris-siege-eating-zoo-animals

During an 1870 Siege, Trapped Parisians Dined on Rat, Cat, and Elephant

In a desperate time, the zoo became a source of food.

Atlas Obscura

@adamrice @cstross @GinevraCat The middle layer has inspired me on the dodgy alien AI translation front...

Some kind of terrible cock up between a Schwarzwälder Kirschtorte and the Swartschild radius of a black hole resulting in a culinary technique that creates spiralised super-dense dessert spaghettis using a tiny black hole in a branded appliance every noble simply must have or their chef quits.

Serving suggestion: spinning psychic cutlery in the style of Red Dwarf VI, Ep 2, Legion

@cstross @GinevraCat the trick is to breed a turducken such that the nested organisms grow in a commensal relationship, each extracting specific nutrients from their shared diet so they have complementary flavors in the final preparation
@cstross
Does a Kiwi fit into a 🦤? Pop that into a phorusrhacid and that into the raptor. Stuff the Kiwi with quail and viola the stage is set for the avialutionary matroshka.
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@cstross Cloned meat from important historical figures, or celebrities. Anything flambéed with the heat from an artificially induced super nova (fuck the plebs living in, or around, that star system).
@cstross Wagyu Megatherium, served in a sauce of it's own fur ecosystem
@cstross what's the 7000 years in the future equivalent of a swan?
@quixoticgeek You missed the duration: 7000 CENTURIES in the future, i.e. 2/3 of a million years. (Our species is extinct by then. We're their australopithecines.)

@cstross ah. the classic off by two orders of magnitude problem...

Have they tried raising humans for food ?

@quixoticgeek Our species is extinct: post-human hominins have speciated: quite possibly some of them *are* engineered as anencephalic food-beasts, but we're so slow-growing that it hardly seems worth it: pigs are at market weight (around 120kg) in 4 months, while humans take at least 15 years to get there, if ever (that's a *big* dude).

@cstross

Delicacies for the rich should demonstrate economic infeasibility.

@quixoticgeek

@cstross does chocolate still exist ?
@cstross
Lab-grown long pork.
@Cameleopard Naah, *that* is in principle do-able today (lab quantities only, though).
@cstross @Cameleopard Making it into a hawaiian pizza, though.
@cstross the simplest possible thing prepared by hand, an omelette ... from an egg the host carried themselves?
@cstross If they can resurrect dinosaurs, surely they can go a little further back and have trilobite tacos.

@cstross Veblen’s laws remain valid in the far future, so it would have to be a species that is both threatened with extinction but also impossible to reconstruct (otherwise there is no scarcity value). Substances that are expensive to collect in our time due to labor costs like saffron or vanilla won’t be when robots are commonplace.

I predict some entrepreneurs will find a solution to the problem of supplying Veblen foodstuffs by using intellectual property law to create the artificial scarcity. Cloned human meat of celebrities who granted an exclusive license to their DNA would be a suitably ghoulish option.

@fazalmajid @cstross Then something with extremely low entropy? Or something extremely hard to get? Like something made/grown in the direct vicinity of a black hole's event horizon?
@titaniumbiscuit @fazalmajid @cstross supernova toasted Xeelee?
@dtl @fazalmajid @cstross oof, the Xeelee Sequence seems really mindbending
@titaniumbiscuit It is - it's pretty dense universe with alternative timelines. A fun read.
@titaniumbiscuit @dtl @cstross I just got the omnibus eBook (UK) edition last week, haven't started it yet

@cstross

Liger tartine (fresh not vat-grown, for the truly fancy)

@cstross monkey brain feast of your own clone
@jef Ick! That's a good one, but not what I have in mind.
@cstross
Roast Brontosaurus Vertebrae Marrow
@cstross Obviously, there is the Nanofillet ZZ21 machine, which allows one to portion things, adjustable to the micron, based on the optimal gustatory experience of each individual diner (presumably derived from data from their latest medical scan).
Casu martzu - Wikipedia

@Gorfram @cstross @vincenzovin7

Correct answer. 3:O)>

My father told me about the time his uncle[1,2] returned from a stint in the French Foreign Legion with some tins of cheese similar to that... _Nobody_ would try it, and apparently he eventually ate it all himself.

[1] Polish army, possibly reserves - apparently serving with foreign (friendly) armies was common at the time (early 1930s).
[2] Reached the rank of Major, and ended up somewhere in a forest (Katyn).

@vincenzovin7 @cstross Yikes. “Because the larvae in the cheese can launch themselves distances up to 15 centimetres (6 in) when disturbed,[2][14] diners hold their hands above the sandwich to prevent the maggots from leaping.”
@vincenzovin7 @cstross as featured in Midsomer Murders
@cstross mashed potatoes to go with the sashimi.
@cstross -
- Carnivorous Tofu-Squid BBQ
- Giant Venus Flytrap stuffed with barbecued Kolibri
- deep-fried Tardigrade pudding with capsaicin lemonade for drinks
- Kolibri shashlik dusted with psychoactive salt
- Sweet Potato Fries
@cstross archaeopteryx au vin?
@cstross something like turducken, but themed as a slice across the phylogenetic tree. Eat from every branch of the tree of life with every bite. Or go across history: a chicken inside a duck inside a turkey inside a dodo inside a teratorn inside an iguanodon inside a ... (perhaps up to diplodocus/seismosaurus/...).
@cstross
NaN bread
Turtles all down soup
Pollocene hen
Black smoker salmon
@cstross
mollusks found in ultracold climates, that need millenia to grow to a sensible size.