@hotsoup @rye @unixjunk1e Exactly! Engineer should be a protected title.

@cR0w @hotsoup @rye @unixjunk1e
It's a protected title in Canada:

https://engineerscanada.ca/become-an-engineer/use-of-professional-title-and-designations

Except for "software engineer" in Alberta. Figures.

Use of professional title and designations | Engineers Canada

In Canada, not just anyone can use the title engineer. To practice engineering and use the title engineer, you must be licensed by the engineering regulator for the province/ territory where the title is being used.  Regulation minimizes risks to public safety and ensures that these activities are conducted by licensed engineers who are held to high professional and ethical standards that require them to work in the public interest.

Engineers Canada
@VE7WYC @cR0w @hotsoup @rye @unixjunk1e i live in alberta and absolutely refuse to use the ‘e word’.
@ghorwood @cR0w @hotsoup @rye @unixjunk1e
Thanks for sticking to the right thing to do. I never understood why software gets a pass. It's foundational in so many things that affect public safety.
@VE7WYC @cR0w @hotsoup @rye @unixjunk1e you need professional accreditation to build a strip mall, but if you're just cooking up the wares that run a pacemaker or the banking system or someone's anti-lock brakes, meh.
@ghorwood @cR0w @hotsoup @rye @unixjunk1e
Yup. Add 737 modifications, air traffic control, etc etc.
@ghorwood @cR0w @hotsoup @rye @unixjunk1e
Thread jack @ghorwood I just saw your profile description of your rotator cuff injury. My music-related stupid injury: In 1983 I tore my ACL jumping off the stage holding a bass guitar during a high school air band contest. The song was "Photograph" by Def Leppard.
@VE7WYC @cR0w @hotsoup @rye @unixjunk1e people always go on and on about their sports injuries, but nobody every takes into account the very real dangers of rock-n-roll.

@ghorwood @VE7WYC @cR0w @hotsoup @rye @unixjunk1e

There is absolutely no reason for software to get a pass. The term Engineer has been around for a while but it wasn't formalized until the 17th and 18th centuries.

Technology engineering (lowercase e) vs. Civil Engineering (capital E) were possible because of standardization of equipment and methods, I'd like to see that more in technology. I think it would really help accelerate Good Things(tm)

@mj @ghorwood @VE7WYC @cR0w @hotsoup @rye @unixjunk1e

In Canada we generally have the worst of both worlds. The title "Engineer" is protected, and you can get in some mild legal trouble by calling yourself (or being called by a US employer that doesn't recognize that the term is protected in Canada) a Software Engineer.

But at the same time, none of the provincial Engineering societies that regulate the conduct of people who have engineering degrees and are capital "E" Engineers do anything to actually regulate any of the practices around making software.

When's the last time you saw them report a software defect that would harm users? Or take away someone's license because they released code with terrible security vulnerabilities?

@mj @ghorwood @VE7WYC @cR0w @hotsoup @rye @unixjunk1e I could understand a rollout, but software engineers have WAY too much power to be exempt from higher standards.

@ghorwood

In NJ, you need a professional accreditation to buy hair stripper. (strong H2O2)