「黃家駒 Wong Ka Kui」 | (aka: 鳳凰院 凶真 Hououin Kyouma)Do you judge people for buying stuff that you're boycotting?
Ember JamesI judge people for many things, like all people do.
They say only God can judge me, and she seems to be okay with those people doing those things, so who am I to judge?
A people, that’s who.
AFK BRB Chocolate (CA version)It kind of depends on the reason for the boycott and how widely it’s understood. Like I for sure judge anyone who buys a cybertuck today.
Or a MAGA hat. Or a Trump card.
I try not to judge people unless they meet certain conditions.
For example, they’re well known public people like politicians or other celebrities.
Or I’ve observed them do something that I believe they must know is wrong if they are able to think rationally. (That category catches most people who argue with me online.)
But for buying something being boycotted, there’s a good chance they are unaware.
Yes, but generally not really harshly. I just assume they don’t know any better or don’t have the determination to live up to their ideals.
Unless of course they genuinely are awful people, but in that event, there are signs far more relevant than merely not sharing my boycotts.
bizarrolandYeah, for instance, I have not shopped at Walmart in, I think, six years, and so when I have met people who shop at Walmart, I’m just like, okay, I guess something’s going on that means that you have to shop at Walmart. Sucks for you, but hopefully you will choose not to shop at Walmart in the future when you can.
Yeah, but to a lesser degree.
MothraWell, no, not everyone is equally informed to begin with. And you can’t make such a blanket statement as “if you don’t live like I do you’re a terrible person”, reality is nuanced, always.
However , I will judge the hell out of them and add them to my mental lists of People Who Do This Or That. But no, they’re not necessarily terrible persons
Sometimes. If somebody claims to be a gay ally, but then eats at Chick-fil-A and shops at Target or Hobby Lobby, they’re not really being an ally. You’ve gotta put your money where your mouth is if you want any change in this world. Stop giving money to people that hate you.
Chick fila a and hobby lobby for sure
Target will get a bit of leeway from me.
The other two are run by people who have actively funneled money towards shit like conversion therapy
Target, unless I’ve missed something, just kind of pulled their DEI initiatives, so while they’re not doing anything to make the situation better for LGBTQ people, they’re not trying to actively make shit worse for them either.
Also nothing chick fila a or hobby lobby sells is particularly essential, you don’t need craft supplies and fast food. Target at least sells basic essentials like clothes, groceries, medications, etc. and sometimes they’re the only or most affordable place in town to get those things, so I can’t exactly begrudge people for shopping there for those things unless I know there’s a better alternative.
I mean, Walmart is far worse than Target. People shit on Target now because they used to take a stand and then suddenly bailed like cowards. Walmart was born in evil, molded by it.
Pretty clear you don’t actually understand anything about Chik-fil-A other than the things your chosen talking heads tell you
stinermanI think people should boycott entities that they feel deserve it, but only to the extent that their financial situation warrants it. For example, I try to not buy from Amazon. I think everyone should do this, but I have the luxury of being able to afford paying more for the same thing bought elsewhere. Some people don’t, and that’s OK.
Excellent answer and example (Screw amazooon--they basically put a rent on books)
I live on an island in Alaska, so my Amazon alternatives are usually Walmart, maybe Target… not a lot of others. If I can buy direct from the company I will, but a lot of times Amazon is the only real option (and no option to buy local).
Yep some people don’t have a lot of other options.
First of all, I would ask them if they’re familiar with the boycott and the reasons why it is happening. If they are, ask them them if they have a reason not to participate. Based on that, and how serious the cause behind the boycott is, I would judge.
We all have different priorities in life. I’m far from perfect so I’m in no place to assume moral superiority over someone just because of a product they purchased.
Only if they do something really crazy like willingly using Microsoft Teams.
If you don't have to support terrible people and you knowingly do anyway, it's not going to be easy to make a discernment personally.
I think a lot of people haven't come to the awareness that there is NO such thing as ethical consumption under our current systems tho (and you can't boycott everything bad without causing a lot more worse stuff.)
By strictly boycotting every evil company, you’d die of starvation or exposure. You just try to pick the least evil companies.
Only if consumption is conspicuous... like big concerts purchased via a parasite monopoly or their scalpers.
ScrubblesI’ve learned that the vast vast vast majority of people don’t care. I can spend all my time hating everyone for being lazy and ordering daily items from Amazon, or eating Chick Fil A, or whatever, but I’ll end up hating 99% of the population. I don’t have time for that.
All I can do is focus on myself and what I spend my money on. Sure I educate where I can, but you don’t want to be the preachy person either, because they’ll just start ignoring you. Do what you can, but if you’re going to judge people for buying things - you’re going to judge everyone - and then that’s more on you.
ORbituaryProbably the most grounded answer here.
Agree. Except buying a new Tesla now. As a former Tesla owner, if you buy a new one now, fuck you. There is no excuse for ignorance here.
Agree there, Tesla is pretty dang obvious, and it’s a huge purchase. It’s not buying a non-organic tomato or a chicken sandwich, it’s very clear where the money goes, and you had to make a very clear conscious decision about it that you will be living with for years to come.
Would you not judge people for putting a gun to the head of a child and pulling the trigger?
Because buying from some companies is paying the salary and the bullets of the people who do exactly that.
When people are designated as “terrorists” you can even be held criminally liable under the current system, if you keep doing business with them. Shouldnt the same standard apply for people doing business with genocide?
Those are completely separate examples and you know it.
If you think that giving a murderer money so he can buy a gun to murder people with is not related to the act of murdering people, i would love to hear the explanation.
First of all, you’re demanding me answer something that is completely separate from the original argument. OP asked about judging other people for their purchases. You are asking about an action that presents direct violent harm, something completely different. Purchasing something from a company may support violence in some way, but purchasing an item may support the company’s practices, but it does not necessarily mean that every purchase directly funds those harmful actions. Your comparison is quite literally the “Appeal to Emotion” fallacy, it is not a good-faith argument, you are trying to present an emotional picture that isn’t relevant, and I won’t buy into it.
All the time on the internet this happens. Someone here put it very well. Someone can ask “What is 2+2” and a commenter will reply “4”. Someone else then will inevitably reply “Well what about 2+3?! You didn’t even consider it!”
The question was asked and answered, you’re asking something completely separate.
Judging people is bad practice, and it’s none of my business. This post reminds me of The Good Place.
The judging I do is a little bit different. When people complain about not being able to Use their electronic device, but then they insist on buying items that have crappy interfaces. I have a hard time having any sympathy for them.
My attitude is if you don’t want shit interface then don’t buy a shit product.
The problem is so many people have done it so many times over that most devices have a crappy interface.
[deleted] in lemmyI judge people who claim to be boycotting something they were never planning on purchasing. That’s like not collecting stamps as a hobby.
My main hobby is not collecting stamps. lol, I’m going to use that somewhere.
SpaceCowboyI’m more into not collecting coins myself.
That’s a solid a hobby. I used to not collect football and baseball cards but in my rapidly approaching old person days, I’m really into not collecting antiques.
Depends, how many people even know that in n’ out is a hateful company? A lot of people know about Chick-fil-A, but shockingly, a lot of people don’t know about Nestle. So yeah, I’ll judge a person for buying Tesla or a bland chicken sandwich, but I’ll just inform someone who buys an in n out burger or a crunch bar.
randomcruftJudge… no… help to educate… try to be better myself… yes.
Also, consider the part you’re saying “… many Internet forums…”.
The same forums filled with random people… some of which have nothing better to do than bitch and complain… act better than others just because… preach their perspective because it’s “right”.
Even Lemmy is not immune to “you’re a terrible person” syndrome.
This question is never going to be black and white, regarding how or where people spend their money responsibly. Especially given the difficulty of knowing where some products originate, or what they are tied to, not just where you buy them from.
But they’re all such perfects paladins of righteousness that never do anything wrong! We should be kneeling before them and basking in the beautiful aura of pure goodness!
Oh yeah, silly me, I completely forgot that part 🤣
I dont Judge unless the person actively talks about hating that thing. For example if someone is constantly going on about how they big tech and they havent even made a single step towards moving away then yeah im going to judge. Stand by your morals.
I know someone who is always going on about how bad fast fashion is and she buys all her clothes from Shien to wear a few times. Like come on you cant expect your words to hold any weight when you say one thing and do another. I’d never say I support gay people’s rights then give money to a gay people rights crushing machine.
Everyone has different values, different pieces of information (and different amounts of time to do research), and different resources.
No, I don't judge people for not boycotting something I'm boycotting, though I'll mention it if it's going to cause a problem. For example, a friend is a massive fan of seeing things in theaters, including re-releases. If they want to see a re-release of Harry Potter, I'll decline, saying that I'm boycotting Rowling, and offer an alternative.
However, if they've been saying that they're really for/against something and seem to be going to buy something from a company that opposes that view, I'll mention, "Hey, I don't know if you know, but they support XYZ." If they still have to get it, then it's none of my business: everyone has different needs and different resources.
It’s nice to see there’s still space for nuanced opinions on the internet.
Lol I’m about to type the exact same thought and saw you put it even better than I would.
𝕱𝖎𝖗𝖊𝖜𝖎𝖙𝖈𝖍Really depends on the reason. I will judge and call out anyone who gives a cent to JK Rowling, for example, whereas avoiding fast fashion is much harder.
Of course.
Buy a new Tesla now? You're a piece of shit. No exceptions.
HanrahanSo many Australian’s buying Tesla’s but as an Aussie I can only agree with you
Some people may not be informed about what is happening
They probably dont care about what a rich person does in a country on another continent
Then I’m definitely judging them for that, too.
“Davon haben wir nichts gewusst” was a shit excuse back then and an even worse excuse now, in the internet connected world.
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Tap for spoilerDavon haben wir nichts gewusst" (“We knew nothing about that”)
literally hitler! seriously though its an individual choice but all the same I see lines at chik fila and just think of pigs gathering for slop. So its basically a data point. The more someone knows you the less likely it matters.
The new Tesla model Y seems pretty great but I judge their drivers harshly. If it weren’t for Elon ruining everything he touches I would really want one.
synae[he/him]It’s one thing if they’re ignorant of the company they’re supporting but it they are knowingly supporting a morally bankrupt organization I judge them haaaard
The few things I’m not buying out of principle are such that I wouldn’t even know if someone else bought it or not. But no, I don’t care. There’s nothing I’m not buying because I think the company that produces it is literally Hitler.
If they know better and there is no legit difficulty in not buying it then yes.
There is no reason why you would have to buy Coca Cola, McDonalds or other trashfood supporting genocide. There is no reason why you would have to buy Israeli anything. There is no reason why you would have to buy brands a Reebok or pay for Microsoft games.
Your employer forcing you to use Microsofot for work is a different matter.
If you do nonetheless, where you have no need to, you are choosing to support genocide and that makes you a terrible person and in a just world you would have to face criminal charges for it and have your money taken away to compensate the victims.
As the other commenter mentioned “there is no ethical consumption under capitalism” if you choose to boycott Reebok and instead purchase Nike you are instead “supporting” Uyghur Muslim slave labor. If instead of supporting McDonald’s you go to subway you are “supporting” Russias illegal war in Ukraine.
If you want to boycott the causes that are most important to you that’s great but thinking people should face criminal charges for being apathetic amongst a minefield of shit companies is ludicrous
As i said, where it is possible.
You loose 0 life quality by not buying trashfood. If you think that having the hottest fashion sneakers and trainers is more important than the literal life of other people, society should have an interest in locking you up. And obviously all the C-Levels that organize and commit these crimes should be locked up and have all their criminally hoarded wealth taken away.
Family member wanted to a store that was in the same strip mall as a Hobby Lobby and I was sitting in the car hating everybody that I saw going into that Christofascist rat den. Those assholes are part of the reason healthcare and insurance is so fucking abysmal and hostile to women.
If they know, and it’s not vital, and they don’t care, then I think less of them.
Some people have less self control than a toddler