inclementimmigrantSelf-Described Fascist Begs for Donations After Claiming Viral Debate Got Him Fired
I really want that fundraiser site to be breached so we can find out who the assholes are donating to him. Fire all of them, too. Ruin their presumably already shitty lives.
Invasion of privacy and illegal surveillance isn’t okay just because it’s your side that’s doing it.
Usually I’d agree, but when you’re talking about literal Nazis, then that goes out the window. They are a cancer to civilized society, and we should be aware of who they are. They’re malignant fucking tumors.
And they’d try to justify it in the exact same way.
I’m not on either side but I will point out the nazi will do it even if they don’t have a reason
And that makes it worse than doing it because you disagree with them?
eat shit dude. the fascists aren’t playing by the rules and they’re raping the fuck out of democracy because of it. at what point are you going to wake up and see there is no honor in this fight worth keeping?
in a fight to the death, there is no honor to be had.
I’m reminded of the quote from Sekiro about knowing the difference between honor and victory
the quote from Sekiro
For those of us who haven’t played it, the quote is “A shinobi (Ninja) would know the difference between honor and victory.”
Best game ever
Have fun storming the castle kiddo! I’m sure your harsh internet words cuts just like the knife you imagine them to be!
Violating someone’s rights because they are the bad guys. Hmmmm… who else subscribes to this ideology.
Be better.
We take away people’s rights ALL THE TIME when they don’t respect other peoples’ rights. You’re a brainless moron if you cannot understand the equivalence between an open Nazi and someone running around down town yelling threats at everyone. They SHOULD both be arrested and charged with crimes, yet only one does.
Interesting how you defend one of them, though.
I’m not defending shit. I’m calling out a hypocrisy. Though I would expect anyone here to understand.
you know there was a word for people like you in post war Germany.
Mitläufer. It means “fellow traveler”, but not like a companion, more akin to a parasite. it was used to label the people who were guilty of following Nazi rule without argument. a better way to describe them was passive sympathizers.
you know what happened to some Nazi sympathizers after the war? You should ask the Russians where they left some of the lucky corpses. the others were tortured and enslaved then worked to death. the real unlucky ones lived for a very long time in the worst conditions you can’t even imagine. doesn’t matter though, they were Nazis and nobody should sympathize with a Nazi.
oh yeah, some were spared the horrors they wrought upon the world. they did spend the rest of their lives watching their backs though. it wasn’t uncommon for Mitläufer to come to America and find themselves hanging from a tree or tossed in some ravine.
Don’t ever make an excuse for what they represent.
you’re either a Nazi, a Mitläufer, or a person. you can never be more than one of those.
pick your side.
I pick the side that doesn’t hypocritically believe that it’s okay if “we” do it, but not okay if “they” do it.
Whichever side that is, that’s the side I’m on. And from where stand, it seems neither side is capable of not being hypocrites on the subject.
We don’t cherry pick the law. This is what was supposed to separate us from them. But now, it seems, you’re all becoming them. So there’s no more us.
and that’s what makes you a Mitläufer.
By definition, it makes me none of your little examples. I don’t follow Nazi law. So, while it’s humorous that you painted me into whatever little corner makes your argument make sense to you- the real world is much different, and i am not obligated in any way to adhere to your little fantasy rules.
Quick question:
Do you believe you’re above the law?
Quick question:
Was it ever legal to own slaves?
Quick statement:
We’re not talking about slaves. Stay on the subject or bail.
Translation: You made a great point that destroys my ‘argument’, so I’ll ignore it.
It VERY much was on topic, you just can’t handle the truth.
ROFL.
Translation:
“I’m going to try my Super-Duper Gyro-Gotcha 2000™ using an irrelevant slavery comparison against whatever point I feel I need to create for you so that I can argue against it for that life-affirming win that I so desperately need!”
I’ve argued with you kids for years. You’re too fucking predictable to bother with. Enjoy your internet points. Spend them wisely.
you can claim what you are over and over, but the name of Mitläufer isn’t a gift you receive, it’s a punishment you’re burdened with.
when the rule of law fails us due to rampant corruption and oppresses the society it was made to protect, is there even a point in law?
just pointing out, what the Nazi’s did was completely legal, but sometimes what’s right and what’s lawful are not the same.
but Mitläufer could never see that because they were only trying to save themselves, like the parasites they were. they bought their neighbors homes, their possessions, their heirlooms. they stole what was unjustly taken from people who did nothing wrong.
where was your law then?
ROFL….
Whatever you say kiddo. I’m done trying to reason with any of you. I was warned, I did it anyway, and I learned that none of you care for reason- you just want to argue. So…
Enjoy the wind-tunnel. Shout your fun little sayings, your accusations, your rhetoric and outrage. But remember, for all your effort- these words do little more than pile up on the doorstep of those who would find it so easy to simply just sweep them away.
I think you misunderstood me. I’m not trying to convince you. I’m telling you.
you are a Mitläufer. you clearly sympathize with Nazi’s and want to make excuses for why it’s impossible to do anything but lay there and take it.
if anything you’re the only one here trying to convince us that you’re not a Mitläufer.
fear not, I don’t even want to interact with you again because you’re disgusting and I’ll be blocking you after this.
Okay bud. I guess… consider me told? lol
Either way… I didn’t read the rest of that nonsense, and I don’t plan on reading anything more that you have to say. because, If you can have a discussion without falsely accusing people of dumb shit just because they disagree- then I have no need to waste my time convincing you otherwise-
I simply don’t care about you.
Still living inside the Paradox of Tolerence, I see
There’s no paradox here. What’s happening is a simple case of all-or-nothing, with-us-or-against-us, zero understanding of nuance lemmy at its best.
Illegal surveillance is bad regardless of who does it. Period. This shouldn’t be an argument- especially on a platform full of people that constantly whine about the overwhelming about of privacy issues and data scraping in tech.
Fucking hypocrites.
We didn’t start the civil war, but we can’t ignore it.
You must be an American Dem…always bring a knife to a gunfight. Just roll over an eat shit because someone called you names?
Your attitude doesn’t work any more. Period.
ROFL… you can always find the socialist/communist/whaterverist in the discussion by simply suggesting that violating someone’s rights isn’t okay just because you don’t like what they do.
And similarly, you can always find the MAGA/conservative/republican in the discussion by simply suggesting that violating someone’s rights isn’t okay just because you don’t like who they are.
The similarities between the two are more than their difference.
Flame away kids!
Only on such pissbrained, surface level, ignorant level that you seem to operate on.
I bet you also say it doesn’t matter who starts a fight if both people end up throwing punches. Your viewpoint us not only pathetic, but ignorant, and is exemplary of everyone MLK Jr constantly warned about. You are a worthless pushover who creates room for terrible people to accomplish their goals, and if you had an once of self awareness, you’d be ashamed of yourself.
A paragraph of personal attacks, and not a point made. A typical internet socialist at their finest.
The only thing missing here is ten paragraphs of copypasta rhetoric lifted from a blog of one of the few people you think is smarter than you.
DarkFutureSelf-proclaimed fascists who openly disparage our Constitutional rights shouldn’t have rights themselves.
Care to show me were I self-proclaimed anything?
Man… everything I read offsite of lemmy about lemmy has you people nailed! You have no concept of how nuance works and absolutely zero real-world common sense.
Everyone that disagrees with your wannabe-tough guy anarchy bullshit is a fascist?
Fucking hilarious.
The real world is going to eat you alive bud.
Dude wasn’t talking about you
Neither is wiping you ass with the constitution and having a coalition of degenerate brown shirt wannabees harass, incarcerate and murder people simply for existing.
I keep forgetting that lemmy is a childishly collective all-or-nothing mentality.
What I’m saying will make more sense when you grow up.
“Invasion of privacy and illegal surveillance” are typically terms you associate with people and institutions of power. Not hackers outing hate groups. There is a distinct difference between “illegal surveillance” and shouting the names of self-proclaimed nazis and fascists to protect vulnerable populations from them.
It’s not “a side” that’s doing it, it’s people. Not institutions, not a government. It’s protection from those that would use actual illegal surveillance to target out-groups. Paradox of tolerance plays heavily in this scenario. People are all for protecting the innocent. But when people like you say, “well, wait a second now, these fascists deserve privacy too,” you play right into the natural evolution of fascism.
Naaah. You don’t get to change the rules to fit your agenda. It’s illegal regardless of who is doing it, what reasons it’s being done, or the method in which it’s done.
Stop the apologia and just admit that you believe you’re above the law because you’re the good guys-
… just like they do.
They can believe they’re the good guys and they are wrong.
Stop defending nazis
lol! Are the Nazis in the room with you? Blink twice if you’re in danger!
Listen- Not everyone that disagrees with you is a Nazi. Nothing I said was in any way in defense of Nazis and only an idiot would say so.
I simply said that you don’t get to justify illegal surveillance just because you don’t like the person on the other end of the line. REGARDLESS of who they are.
• MAGA wants to surveil the left because “dumb woke shit.”
• You all want to surveil MAGA/Nazis because “dumb Nazi shit”
BOTH instances are an invasion of privacy. And in many cases, both instances aren’t committing crimes worthy of surveillance.
It’s not illegal to be “woke” or whatever the fuck MAGA is calling people, and it’s not illegal to follow dumb Nazi shit. Therefore, NEITHER should be illegally survived.
It’s a pretty simple concept really. It just takes not having your head up your ass to understand it.
(I predict that the fact that I called out the right just as equally as the left will be overlooked and I’ll be flamed as if I did nothing short of proclaiming some dumb-assed fabricated bullshit that involves Nazi worship or some other smooth-brained rhetoric)
You are defending the Nazis from the Nazi fund raiser. You don’t want them to be exposed.
“Woke shit” and “Nazi shit” are not comparable.
You’re conflating “illegal” with “just” or “the right thing to do”. Those are two different attributes. Something can be legal and horrifying. Something can be illegal and just.
So this part:
It’s not illegal to be “woke” or whatever the fuck MAGA is calling people, and it’s not illegal to follow dumb Nazi shit. Therefore, NEITHER should be illegally survived.
Doesn’t work. It’s not a question of if it’s illegal. That is largely irrelevant. The proposed action of “we should find out who these Nazis are” may be illegal, but that’s irrelevant. Unimportant.
Nazis are a threat to everyone and should not be tolerated.
You’re giving very lawful-neutral vibes, but I wouldn’t be surprised if you were lawful-evil.
You can make an argument that all laws should apply to everyone equally all the time, but that’s not how the world works right now, neither in practice nor theory, but you also should consider the “paradox of tolerance” problem. It is not a good idea to let Nazis just go around doing Nazi stuff.
You are defending the Nazis from the Nazi fund raiser. You don’t want them to be exposed.
Sorry bud, I stopped reading after this bullshit.
When you’re ready to grow up and actually discuss topics without falsely accusing people of stupid shit just to be part of the collective argument against reason-
I’ll entertain your responses.
Until then, go take a seat.
The guy admitted to being a Nazi. He admitted to being a fascist. The people donating to him are also open about it. You are LITERALLY defending NAZi’s.
I don’t give fuck all about him. I’m debating the point about unlawful surveillance.
Pay attention.
I don’t give a fuck how much you love him. The fact remains that you are literally defending Nazi’s. Pay attention
Man…. I’ve never seen more proof to the accusation that lemmy is all about the “If you disagree with me you’re a Nazi!”
Learn nuance for fucks sake! This place is fucking embarrassing.
Explain the nuance of how defending literal admitted Nazis- isn’t actually defending Nazi’s. Please explain. All you have done so far its accuse others of not understanding the nuance, so spell it out.
Go back to square one and read again, this time- for context.
Power did I descend the Nazi douche, or those that support him. I spoke out against illegal surveillance.
Nothing more.
I’d say the same if someone suggested it be done to the far left, liberals or anyone. But I guess if you practice the lost art of nuanced thought and rationalist- those are hallmarks of a NaZi sUpPoRtER
Go back to square one and read again, this time- for context.
That’s a cop out. I asked YOU to explain it. I already read it all and in context, and I think you are a jackass who is literally defending actual NAZi’s. If you think you can weasel your way out of it, it’s on you to explain how.
Power did I descend the Nazi douche, or those that support him.
What in the fuck is that supposed to mean?
I spoke out against illegal surveillance.
Yes, we know, and you also equated something being illegal with it being ‘not okay’ and ‘bad’. I don’t know how much more plainly people can say this to you before you are able to comprehend it. NO ONE GIVES A SINGLE SOLITARY FUCK IF IT’S ILLEGAL OR NOT. WE DON’T CARE. WE ADMIT THAT IT’S ILLEGAL AND THINK IT SHOULD BE DONE ANYWAY.
Did you catch it that time? It’s also illegal to put a bullet in the forehead of every Nazi, Fascist, and White Supremacist in the country. Does that make it wrong? No it does not.
LOL indeed.
It’s illegal regardless of who is doing it
Something being illegal or not says absolutely nothing about it’s morality. Quite often, immoral things are legal and moral things are illegal.
Saying something is bad because it’s illegal is an incredibly simplistic pov.
I’m not arguing morality. I’m arguing legality. People can’t cry foul when it’s done to them and then demand it be done to others.
I’m not arguing morality.
You absolutely are. Your very fist sentence was “Invasion of privacy and illegal surveillance isn’t okay just because it’s your side that’s doing it.”
I’m arguing legality.
Not a single person has argued that it was legal, and all of your response are about how it’s ‘wrong’ or how we are ‘hypocrites’.
People can’t cry foul when it’s done to them and then demand it be done to others.
It’s already being done to us, and we have already cried foul, and people like you don’t give a single solitary fuck- so why in the hell would we care about what you think?
Dude…. Do you not know the difference between legality and morality?
LMFAO. Sweetie, you are the only person on this thread who is confused about that. We know it’s illegal, not a single person has argued that it wasn’t illegal. We don’t care if it’s illegal or not. How is this a hard concept to grasp. I’m pretty sure I can explain this to a kindergartner and they would get it.
lol! Sweetie?
My fucking god it’s embarrassing to be here!
I agree, you are embarrassing yourself, you should fuck back off to whatever right wing hole you crawled out of.
Woah there buddy I’m sorry but you aren’t allowed to post shit like that here.
We don’t take the high road here.
I’m finding that out.