We should stop calling them “ad blockers”. If a site serves up a few banner ads as images like the old days, that’s fine. I don’t object to a site paying the bills, or seeing a banner ad.

They’re malware blockers and privacy protections. I don’t want a site popping up bullshit and trying to track me across the net. If that’s what a site is serving, it’s more than an ad, and I absolutely want to block it.

@jzb That's why my primary adblocker is Noscript. I don't care if you send a few ads my way, but automated ad buying where the winner gets to run arbitrary Javascript on my computer for tracking? No.
@murph @jzb The problem is that these ad/tracker-filled sites are running enough JS to really affect your PC. Even at idle, these pages are way too busy.
@passthejoe @murph @jzb If I try loading Stripe on my current laptop while I'm running AppleWin the laptop might freeze.
@jzb anti-data-rape protection
@jzb I've measurements to prevent trackers. So when a site complains I should turn off ad blocker to support them, I know it's the ads they're trying to serve bringing up those trackers, and I move away from those sites. It has lost a viewer/reader.

@jzb I don't care what they are called, so long as they block everything I don't want.

I honestly love a good ad that is honest, clever, and informative. Most ads aren't that.

@jzb As someone in this business, I agree that the sheer amount of ads and trackers that sites are using is extremely out of control.

@jzb

Indeed - how can an ad blocker know if text or an image on my my site is an ad. It cannot. What it can detect is all the evil stuff and block it. Don't put evil stuff on your site and everybody will see your ads.

@jzb Vast majority of ads track you cos majority of people use the same vfew services like google adsense or bing's whatever ad service and amazonaws thingy.
@jzb Perhaps i would not call them ad blockers cos they don't block ads that hide as content. Like YT videos with sponsors ingrained in the video, making the video an ad. Or website pages that try to recommend you things that are actually ads. Even some news articles are actually ads mimicking news.
@Azarilh @jzb I highly recommend the SponsorBlock browser extension.
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SponsorBlock is a crowdsourced browser extension to skip sponsor segments in YouTube videos.

@goes2hard Yea, i do use it. I should've specified. ^^
@jzb I also believe that advertising in general shouldn't exist incl. static image banner ads

@jzb How about "commercial skippers"? The word "ad" can refer to something unobtrusive (like smaller sites that tend to respect their users), but they often aren't harmless banners anymore. They're 30-second prerolls, huge pop-up banners that take up 75% of your screen, videos injected in the middle of your content, etc.

I was told once that there's an obligation to look at ads to pay for my traffic. I could've agreed 2 decades ago; but at this point, adblockers are no less ethical than getting up to pee during a commercial.

@jzb it's not like I'm interested in the random shit they are advertising to me anyways.

and in the ultra rare case were they advertise to me something I would hypothetically want, I've already acquired that thing way before ever seeing the ad because I saw it in the store and I bought it.

so it shouldn't really matter if I block the ads because at the end of the day they are pointless.

@jzb a more effective approach would be something like a search engine but for exclusively products...

never mind this bullshit with shoving random shit into people's faces, have them input a query and then do some natural language processing on it to determine which kinds of products they are after.

@jzb \

For some of us, ads are an access issue - anything ads that are red, orange or yellow or blinking are too distracting and makes it not possible for us to read the article.

@jzb

I am an older cis white guy.

Ad broker systems identify me as a particular person within milliseconds and serve me terrible ads, targeted batshitty bonkerballs images and messages.

Some of which seem to be straight up psychological warfare, messages to shove my demographic down a radicalization grievance funnel.

Hell no to that!

@jzb I've been saying this for a while now: before humanity can become a mature enlightened species, advertising must become an unnecessary anachronism. I mean, there are other conditions, of course — but that's a big one. I've removed all advertising from my life as far as is possible. I've had to give up some things, but mostly it's worth it.
@jzb A few years ago I didn't want to use ad blockers because I thought it was wrong to do so, but I was watching a Missing Semester class with @jonhoo and someone asked a question that prompted him to talk about uBlock Origin, which he didn't describe as an ad blocker but a privacy/security tool, so I decided to install it. I only realized it blocked ads when the ads stopped showing up.

@jzb not sure how to implement it as I don't know enough but there should be a limit to "ads" as a percentage of page size or total lines of code to execute. Broadcast TV in the UK has a maximum of 12 minutes per hour adverts.

Ok, you could make the page size massive or something to fit more adverts, but someone with more knowledge than me would probably work out a way to do it. Every way I think of to limit ads has an even worse than the present way around it.

I don't click ads online so all the energy used to run the code is wasted, as is the energy ad blockers used detecting and stopping them etc. The amount of energy alone must be eye watering.

@securedllama way back it was pretty standard to have a banner ad at the very top of the page, and a square button ad or two in the sidebar. Static images, maybe a special URL or referrer for tracking. Then things started getting out of hand…
@jzb I actually kind of like community-sourced banner ads on sub-culturally or fandom-oriented sites. That's a scenario where I do kind of want to be advertised to cus I wanna see what the people in a community I'm choosing to be part of are doing and have an opportunity to support it if it seems interesting.
@Owlor yup. We run some community conference “ads” on @lwn - the kind of thing that boosts events and communities we cover.

@jzb

I’d like a blocker that blocks ads that insult my intelligence, are blatant scams, use gross-out clickbait. Etc

@jzb Lets face it. Searching the net has become hell on earth.
Can someone please build a search engine where the amount of ads & cookies a page will try to offload is inversely related to its search score?
So a site wanting to push 3K cookies from 'legitimetly interested vendors' will land it down on page 3000 of the result.

Because right now, I dont even care if deep below those layers of muck, your page has something approaching the right answer. I just want the internet back like it was.

@jzb yeah. When I see people browsing without ad-blockers I feel so exposed and unprotected on their behalf 😬️

@jzb that's why I block JavaScript rather than ads

well, and notoriously bad domains such as data harvesters

Could we have a world without ads? Maybe

Could we have a world without digital stalking? We need to!

@jzb Totally agree. Or those ads which try to look like part of the pages themselves so you accidentally click on them?! blech
@jzb I feel like the success of blockers has caused a resurgence of self hosted ads. The ongoing failure of other business models aside, I’m becoming ok with this.
@jzb what i hate more now is sites running "ad-blocker blockers" and trying to force you to turn off your malware blockers to access their site. Like no, sorry, if that's the deal then I just won't use your site at all, and will avoid linking to it or otherwise promoting traffic to it.

@jzb

Thats exactly why I use blockers and a filtered DNS Service.

Do you know if there are filter lists that recognize this difference to let simple banner ads pass the filter?

@krokofant Not off the top of my head. If done right they shouldn't trigger any blockers -- e.g., just serve images from the same host as the rest of content, without any nasty JS.
@jzb My elderly downstairs neighbor, who I'm friends with, recently got a malicious scam ad on Youtube that claimed her phone had been hacked and needed to click on the ad to "clean" the phone. Thankfully she realized something was off about that ad before clicking on it and called me (I sometimes do tech support for her).

So it's not even just about the regular annoyance and privacy invasion common to most ads, there's also some truly dangerous ones out there waiting for the next tech illiterate user to phish.