A thing I'm seeing with increasing frequency from the younger members of our community is this like ...

Let me back up.

I work with some folks in their early twenties, and I am having a hard time relating to some of them. Some of them are having a hard time relating to one another.

And the root of this difficulty is propaganda, I think. All of them are constantly bombarded with video propaganda via social media. A lot of it is anti-community propaganda. Most of the media they consume is just about strengthening their disaffiliation with various outgroups. Even the stuff that's about celebrating people is, at least in passing, also about excluding or dehumanizing people.

And, for each of them, the memberships in these various in and out groups is unique. One of them has fallen in to a real trad Christian, 1950s fetishization, one of them watches a lot of stuff premised on the idea that nuerotypical people are an evolutionary dead end, and nuerodivergent people are the path forward...

It's... The specific content isn't what worries me. Like, both of those things aren't great, but the particular contents of the propaganda is irrelevant to my current point (because content can be addressed and deprogrammed.) Regardless of what flavor of self-isolating purity test content they've fallen in to, there are some common themes:

- policing other people's behaviors and desires
- shame for basically any expression of sexuality
- an outsized importance on excluding people

I'm sure there's other stuff, and I know this isn't unique to folks under 25, but it seems to be especially pervasive with them.

Social battles that I thought were long settled are not only coming back up, but also going the wrong way.

And I have to assume that this is, intentional and coordinated or not, an attempt to break any kind of solidarity that might build between people who are dissimilar.

And the worst part, for me, is that so much of this propaganda is being delivered effectively.

Effective propaganda designs itself so that any attempt to refute it instead reinforces it.

"Oh, you question the need for us to self isolate? Clearly you're secretly a member of that other group." No!

Fuck this.

We aren't here on this green and blue and increasingly hot orb for any particular reason that I can discern.

But we're here, and we're here together, and we're stuck.

So we owe it to ourselves, and to one another, to hold space for one another, to experience what this life has to offer, and to work together.

Now, you may be asking yourself 'Why would there be a bunch of propaganda targeted at younger adults and teens which appears designed to isolate them, to make them hate one another, and to make them suspicious of anyone who tries to unify them?"

And the answer, I think, is simple. We're living through the dying days of a failing empire. People are easier to control when they're alone. People are easier to keep alone when you've cultivated an idea in their minds that they're correct, and special, and the only way to remain both of those things is to remove anyone who isn't correct and special from their lives.

It's like, suddenly, the world around us is full of millions of microcults, each with its own understanding of language, and its own secret interpretation of common actions.
You couple that with the way that so many folks (my age and older, certainly, but especially 15-20 years younger) have become so completely dependent on the dopamine feedback cycle their cellphones deliver, to the point that some of the kids I've been tutoring present most of the same symptoms as gambling addicts, and you've got a recipe for a bad time.

I feel like that last bit needs to be unpacked.

I work with kids on a volunteer basis. I mostly do reading tutoring, which consists largely of giving these kids situations in which they are motivated to read, and then trying to remove obstacles.

The other part of what I do is focused on helping kids develop healthy and safe relationships with technology.

A lot of the kids I work with are autistic or have some other kind of learning difference that has left them falling behind other kids their age, but some of the kids I'm working with right now are seemingly NT and reasonably well adjusted. They're smart, but also they're between the ages of 8 and 12 and reading on a first grade level at best.

I work with their teachers and their therapists and their mental health professionals and their parents to figure out what can be done, what motivates them, where they're doing well and what they struggle with.

I did this kind of work less before covid, but some. Since covid, I've kind of stumbled smack in to the middle of it. (One of my closest and oldest friends is dating the director of the special education non-profit affiliated with our local Montessori school. The director is my wife's best friend. Their kids are among the group I'm working with.)

Pre-covid I was mostly working with the children of affluent families as a result of the area that we lived in. These kids mostly didn't have access to technology at all, outside of a classroom setting. Within the classroom setting, that technology access was heavily mediated.

Now I'm working with a combination of fairly affluent kids (it is a private school, after all) and very much not (we're in rural north GA, and associated with a non-profit that provides various needs based scholarships.) It is like I'm living in a different universe though. I don't know how much is covid (I never worked with kids in this area pre-covid), but discounting that, the biggest difference between the DC area kids I was working with 5+ years ago and the kids I'm working with now is technology access.

I'm in a kind of unique position, because I'm not a teacher.

I'm mostly playing games, making puzzles, curating books and video games and movies, and helping parents build strategies for encouraging reading.

I'm doing this with access to these kids teachers, but also their diagnoses and IEPs, and occasionally support from other professionals.

And what I'm seeing is terrifying.

The first thing I want to point out is that every parent tells me some variation on "oh he's so much better with this stuff than I am" w/r/t tech in general and it's just not true.

None of these kids are good with technology, not even a little bit. Some of them have grown adept at navigating the menus on a Nintendo switch, or have learned some tricks to cover their tracks when they're doing something they're not supposed to on a smartphone, but across the board they have a fundamental lack of understanding of even the basic principles of most of the tech they interact with.

What they're good at is getting to the thing that they want. They're good at this not because they are good at technology, but because they're desperate, and have nothing better to do.

Over the years, I've done some work with some people who were addicted to various drugs. Meth is the big one around here, but I've worked around and with folks with various chemical dependencies.

Saying these kids are good with technology is like saying those folks were good at chemistry.

What they're good at is getting a fix.

The tech of choice for most of these kids is YouTube.

That's what they want.

When they can get it, they use speech to text to search for what they are after, and then use pictures to pick which video they'll start with.

And then they just sit. Sometimes they'll skip a video or pick one off the list, but mostly they just sit and stare until they get caught.

None of these kids have intentional unrestricted YouTube access on any device, but they're desperate and they've got free time. They find all kinds of cracks and gaps that let them get to YouTube.

When they aren't on YouTube, they're on whatever slot machine mechanics wrapped around a children's media franchise mobile game has attracted their attention that month.

Most of the kids I work with don't have smartphones or tablets (some of them do) but they've all gotten pretty good at giving mom a convincing reason to hand hers over.

I've been struggling, lately, because most of the tools and techniques that I've used to motivate kids in the past aren't working anymore.

Their TV shows are hyper-stimulating. Their video games are hyper-stimulating and have a dozen baked in slot machine mechanics. (Even the benign looking games, hot wheels racers and the like, are full of random draw lootboxes.) Everything is designed to maximize their attention and keep them coming back.

We used to describe video games as "addictive" as if that was a good thing, when it was rarely true in even extreme circumstances. Now it's just true most of the time, and obviously bad.

When I was 8, I'd have rather done literally anything else than to sit quietly and do nothing.

I'd stare out the window, listen to music, read a book, draw, ask questions, tell stories, play solitaire. If I was going to need to be quiet and in the same spot for a long enough period of time, I would even do practice math problems to pass the time. Anything to keep things moving.

But these kids I'm working with now would rather sit and be miserable (and they are clearly, obviously miserable. Frankly, suffering to an extent that exceeds my expectations) instead of reading or writing or drawing or whatever.

I might be able to get their attention for a few minutes, but eventually it wanes and then they'd rather do nothing, when doing nothing is causing them a great amount of distress, than have to put the work in to do something else.

At first I thought I might be imagining things, so I started talking to parents and teachers and therapists and support folks.

And all of them have noticed the same trends, but from a lot closer. They've been boiling the frog, you know? Setting a new baseline each year for how attention span work, and really only ever considering this year's group against last year, or this kid against where they were a year ago.

They all agreed the problem was increasingly bad, but none of them had really given a lot of thought to the extremity of it or it's source (because it's not what they're working on, most of the time. Most of what they're working on is improving, so the "short attention span" thing gets chalked up as a generational divide or an old man yelling at clouds situation, until they stop and pay attention.)

I, on the other hand, took a few years off from working with kids and then came back to the same age group and found it to be a fundamentally different experience.

But then I pointed out the trends. I pointed out how these kids would rather do literally nothing than read a book. How the only thing that seemed to motivate them was the promise of access to video games or streaming services which, by and large, seem to be making the problem worse, and I started working with these professionals to build plans to dig out of this hole and ...

Nearly across the board they confided in me that they were also seeing these issues with older kids. The few who work with kids and adults mentioned that it was also starting to creep in to the conversation with the adults they work with, sometimes with seniors.

And that this increasingly dependent technology relationship seems to also frequently coincide with conspiracy theory belief, self isolation, etc.

Which is where we started the thread.

The effort / reward ratio is all out of balance. Reading is too much work for too little reward. 3/4ths of the video games they try are the same. Broadcast television? Forget about it. No where near rewarding enough.

So we have a generation of kids growing up with a severe and frequently life impacting dependence on a dopamine reward cycle facilitated by technology, and getting fed to algorithms designed to maximize engagement at all costs, which generally means isolating them from their peers and pushing them towards more and more extreme content.

They would increasingly rather do literally nothing, in spite of the fact that doing nothing leaves them in a kind of discomfort that is akin to spiritual anguish, than anything that requires more than a minimal level of effort.

And we have a bunch of adults who are barely out running the same beast, who are falling victim to the same patterns. With the adults, they usually have at least some defence mechanisms against this stuff. They can usually read reasonably well. But the algorithms are more aggressive, and the gambling mechanics come with dollars attached, and it's not just that the things they're consuming are hyper-stimulating, it's specifically that these things are aggressively isolating them from their peers and alienating them from their own decision making.

That last bit "alienating them from their own decision making" is the real crux of my concerns.

We're ceding our agency in the things we consume and the ways we communicate to machines designed to make a profit, and they profit off of us by alienating us further from our own intentions and agency.

And then "AI" enters the picture.

Most of the above to say this:

This is not an old man yelling at the sky. This is not "the youth are wrong, trust me a middle aged man."

People in their early 20s are struggling to form social bonds to a significantly greater extent than they were in the already socially isolated climate of 10 - 15 years ago, and are increasingly falling victim to technologies designed to capitalize on this.

People younger than that are developing such flawed relationships with these same technologies that it is fundamentally altering how they view and interact with the world.

And, all the while, we're being turned against one another.

Technology isn't a force for food or a force for evil. It's a force multiplier, an accelerator.

Right now, it's mostly being wielded by people who want to extract as much attention and value out of you as possible. Or by people with money who are trying to concentrate their power and squash dissent.

And, along the way, they're trying to convince you that tech is a young person's domain, too expensive and complicated for you to worry about, and that the current technological landscape is inevitable and inescapable.

And lots of folks are getting hurt in the crossfire.

It doesn't have to be like this.

So what's to be done?

Intention.

Right now, most people's relationship with technology is either transactional (I need to use this in order to accomplish this task, do my job, talk to this person) or impulsive (I got a notification, let me check tiktok) but rarely is it intentional.

We can do this at an individual level. I think that, for many of us, being on the fediverse is part of this quest for intentional computing.

For myself, I'm a Linux user because that allows me to preserve more of my own agency than Mac or windows (conversely, if also frequently demands that I exercise my own agency more than Mac or windows.)

I've disabled the vast majority of notifications on my phone. I will spend my attention where I choose to do so.

But this is a very 1960s hippie argument. This is the whole earth catalog argument. "I can fix this for myself, so that's good enough."

Nope. This is a community problem and it's going to take a community solution.

I'm not suggesting that we all turn off youtube and facebook and abandon windows and mac en mass for linux and the fediverse.

Well, I'm not *not* suggesting that, but I think it's unlikely to happen and even if it did happen, it's likely that we would just see the same dark patterns replicate themselves on other platforms.

I'm not even suggesting that we stop consuming Youtube specifically. I'm on youtube a lot, honestly. It's the closest thing we have to an ubiquitous community media platform.

The core of my hope here is that we can re-introduce some intention and agency to our relationship with technology.

So I'm working with a couple of professionals on the psychology/childhood development side of the house, and I'm standing in as a professional on the technology side of the house, and I'm trying to figure out what an intentional relationship with technology looks like, and what it takes to build a healthy relationship with a platform like Youtube when you're a kid with a deep and abiding obsession that dominates pretty much everything else in your life.

I'm trying to figure out how to motivate kids to read, when most of the methods I've used in the past aren't working at all.

I wish that I could wrap this in a neat little bow and say "here's a 5 step plan for fixing our current technological problems and encouraging literacy" but I'm still very much trying to figure it out.

I believe there is a path forward. I believe it starts with re-framing our relationship with technology to be more intentional.

What do you think?

Oh, and as a side note, I've spent most of this thread talking about kids and young adults because those are the folks I work most closely with, but this problem is perhaps even more extreme with my grandparent's generation.

Folks who grew up without much tech access are now being forced in to situations where they have to use it, and figuring out many of the same methods that kids are using, and it's absolutely unraveling them. I'm less convinced that this can be fixed, but ...

Just check in on your parents and your grandparents and make sure they're not mainline facebook shorts conspiracy theories about the texas floods, okay?

@msbellows here's the unrolled thread: https://mastoreader.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fc.im%2F%40msbellows%2F114812301950347352

Next time, kindly set the visibility to 'Mentioned people only' and mention only me (@mastoreaderio). This ensures we avoid spamming others' timelines and threads unless you intend for others to see the unrolled thread link as well.

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@ajroach42 Thank you so much for your insights, this is one of the most thoughtful threads I've ever read. 🙏

On the topic, guess we need more regulation of algo-based monopolies but it's perhaps difficult to see where pressure for it will come from? 😕 Lawmakers tend to have a poor grasp of the problem and end up doing pre-packaged "solutions" provided by various lobbyists which do nothing about the algo addiction and corrosion of society.

Even worse, the charities etc that nominally fight against this sort of thing are committing themselves to the platforms that do this, usually without giving it a second thought.

@FediThing @ajroach42 unfortunately, it seems to me that this problem will never be solved if we appeal to the current status quo. The capitalistic state can never be used to truly hinder the capitalist encroachment of life. But that's okay, it seems the time to form brand new tech-education and accountability culture is nigh!
@foundseed @FediThing that's definitely at the fore in my mind.

@FediThing I am very worried about any legal solution to this problem. I think the actual solution will only come about from a rebuilding of non governmental public institutions.

Social organizations that fulfill the role of a church without being a church, community centers etc.

@ajroach42

Many of the community-minded volunteer groups, local businesses, independent services etc in my area accidentally expose people to nastiness by forcing people to communicate with them through centralisd commercial platforms. When questioned about this, they say they have to use what everyone else uses (the network effect) and that they're powerless to choose otherwise.

I'm not saying laws would solve everything, but giving the corporations a legal carte blanche is not good either?

For example, countries that banned phone network-locking gave the grassroots more power. Maybe they could ban social network-locking?

@FediThing I'm certain that some laws could be written to help mitigate these problems.

But I'm also certain that it's easy to misconstrue the things I described here as "kids shouldn't use technology" which is not at all what I want.

I want kids to be able to socialize, and especially to be able to use technology to do it.

I just want it to happen in a way that doesn't leave them worse off as a result.

@ajroach42

Ah fair enough! I think I misunderstood what you meant in previous post 🙂

@ajroach42 @FediThing bring back forums. Discourse over time, building relationships in comversational manner rather than quick popoffs… personal blogs…etc.

People yern for quick and easy. They always will. In my youth, people complained about SparkNotes and Wikipedia. But now its generally understood schools overwork children and if you can infer enough from SparkNotes for the fucking grade, then by all means use it. And now, Wikipedia is herald as open source learning continually checked by experts and has fewer errors and more topics than encyclopedias.

I have a feeling the technologies and shortcuts of today will be accepted and used better in the future just as Spark Notes and the advent of Wikipedia didn’t kill my generations desire for knowledge. It’s an issue deeper than the tech and independent of the tech.

@Myotis_cuniculus @FediThing I'm not sure I understand the point you're making here, could you expand on it?

@FediThing @ajroach42 Elsewhere earlier I saw someone describing that their local area only issues disaster alerts/ warnings on Facebook, but there's no reason they couldn't add something like RSS.

Mandating that an open standard *exist* and holding governmental institutions to use it (which will create a certain network effect of its own) feels like a reasonable way to split the difference.

@ajroach42 I've noticed this too, looking at many of my daughter's peers.

It's not even learned helplessness, it's way more coordinated and deliberate than that, it's taught helplessness, enabled helplessness, enforced helplessness, instructed helplessness

@ajroach42 tired: learned helplessness
wired: monetized helplessness
@ifixcoinops @ajroach42 That's a depressingly accurate description of how using modern technology feels
@ajroach42
I am thinking building more intentional relationships with humans might help.

@ajroach42

Good thread, if 42 is your age, which I suspect, then you missed the start, I've seen the whole thing go through.

Anyway, some comments, yes my parents 70's just sit there at times glued to their phones, scrolling through junk endlessly, I however barely even use my phone, just txt/phone call really.

It seems to me that because we grew up with both and got to experience the change many of us developed a way to switch off from it, because we knew both.

Now that I'm not so well, and don't do anything major socially, tech for me is a kind of replacement for social things as I can't handle much that way anymore.

I would suggest going back to basics, what did you like to do as a kid, try a similar approach just gently, show them cool things about the world and so on, there's a whole wide world out there to discover, and it has nothing to do with tech at all mostly.

Anyway, good luck with it.

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Addition:

For a time I did work with young adults with learning difficulties, many with every kind of disability you can think of.

Some of the things we did were not only about learning so much, but also about social cohesion, ie. field trips (sports, cooking), building confidence in themselves, and how they connect to each other, this kind of approach works wonders, even the most troubled eventually warm to the idea that they matter, and are a part of something, rather than just isolated as themselves, give it a go.

@trelord75 I'm in my mid 30s
@ajroach42 you definitely have 42 year old vibes (speaking as one)
@trelord75 @ajroach42 Douglas Rushkoff used to mention that South Korea had such a problem with on-line addictions among kids that the government set up free camps for kids, I think the camps just minimized screen time and the kids had the leeway to do other stuff, like go outside, play...?? Now that I think of it I'm surprised I haven't seen more about those camps and any other policies Korea came up with...

@ajroach42 tl; dr: I'd rather sit and do nothing and be miserable than put in the effort to read this entire thread.

Good thing I'm an oldie and not a young person and therefore I'm not part of the problem because I didn't read the entire thread.

@ajroach42, The point of Fahrenheit 451 was not about censorship, it was about being addicted to media.

The point of Idiocracy was not eugenic dumb people breed faster, it was about letting other things do the thinking for us.

As always the warnings are their, but as the saying goes, "They were so concerned with if they could, they never worried if they SHOULD".

@Laztheinfamous

Sure, but ...

Okay, so first of all the only dystopian novel that I think actually manages to strike any chords with me is Brave New World.

Everything that came after that is just shades of Brave New World, but easier to defeat.

Second, "Media Addiction" is not the problem in the abstract. Media is fine. It's my whole damn life, honestly.

The problem is that current trends in media are exploitative, and are resulting in bad outcomes.

@Laztheinfamous @ajroach42 considering how Bradbury ended up, maybe we really *shouldn't* be pretending as though "Fahrenheit 451" is some sort of definitive social statement... ~Chara

@ajroach42 .... Would community efforts start well as genuine, local, inter-personal community efforts?

For example: "How to get started with Free Computing (Linux)" classes in the local hall.

@chongliss That's the kind of thing I'm looking at.

I mean, I'm going to start with individuals, and with things like "Here's how the internet works, and here's how you can build a thing to make it safer to use" rather than "getting started with linux" but, yeah.

Find some people who want to learn, teach em. Find some people who have problems, help them find the solution.

@ajroach42

Find some people who want to learn, teach em.


That's the tricky part, isn't it? The tech industry has done a fantastic job of turning everything into a magic black box that everyone's afraid to look inside of for fear of breaking it.

@me Start with a goal.

With parents that goal is helping them learn enough about tech to feel safe and comfortable teaching their kids. For other people goals can be many things.

@ajroach42 A few quick thoughts. Yes to the reward/effort ratio. Yes to Linux and avoidance of all commercial platforms to the maximal extent possible.

I’ve been thinking a lot lately about how physicality matters so much in a world where the industry is intent of controlling access to digital content. Books matter. Maybe TTRPGs are a good counter, because they involve physical books, dice, figurines, pencils/pens and paper, in-person meetings, and emotional openness.

@ajroach42 Getting outside matters. I just bought three used hardcover books on fishing, an activity which has held little interest to me in my life, but is something which can actually, literally, feed me. I once tried teaching my niece and nephew to tie knots and get them interested in the outdoors. It didn’t work, but I still think it was a worthwhile endeavor. Give kids things they can physically grasp and manipulate, which are quickly and obviously useful and durable.

@ajroach42 I believe the primary reason why this didn't work with my niece and nephew is because my mother has been steadily feeding their addiction to technology and convenience.

Like, my mother bought my nephew a PS/2 when he was 6 years old. He doesn't do anything but play videogames, now in his 20s.

@gcvsa That's one of the problems I'm fighting here. Only half of the co-parents seem to recognize that there's a problem.

@gcvsa TTRPGs, in person, have been really great.

Starting people on Linux is a whole separate level in terms of effort. They need to want to, and increasingly they do.

@ajroach42 @gcvsa I've been hanging out with some Free Night School Moms and kids. It was a surprise to see they had to be careful that the bright heart puzzle apps wouldn't take money from their 7 year olds. I heard a horror story of a workplace peer who had to pay $3,000 (30万円!)for stuff a junior high school student did with an on-line game.. Maybe setting them up with old PCs running Linux with every game you can find could help? When guardians have to give-in with screen time the kids can explore an off-line screen. A 5yo asks for TuxPaint..
@bsmall2 I can imagine. I was a heavy player of DanMachi Memoria Freese for about 4.5 years, and trying to keep up with the players at the top level who are clearly spending hundreds of dollars a month on gacha pulls gets very expensive, very quickly. I spent maybe $20/mo, and would save up for the big anniversary events that were absolute musts to stay competitive. I don't think I ever spent more than $80 in a single month, once or twice. I was in a Top 5 familia on the North America servers.
@bsmall2 but there is a world of difference between a 50-something woman choosing to play a videogame that costs real money and a teenager or younger being given free reign.
@gcvsa Yeah sure!! When I saw the Mommy struggle over the limiting phone time and heard the horror story I remembered Susan Lin or somebody in _The Corporation_ talking about parents not always having the energy to fight over screentime or consumer choices: you get busy, or tired, hot, and just give in. While together with people phones irritate me, so I'm brainstorming alternatives. Notebooks and colored pens that are about the same size: promises to convert drawings into icons or something. Started showing simple Gimp and Inkscape tricks to do it...

@ajroach42 thanks for writing this thread

It's a problem I've been calling Filter Failure at the Outrage Factory, and scratching my head about for a few years since writing https://blog.thestateofme.com/2019/02/13/filter-failure-at-the-outrage-factory/

The early career people I get to spend time with seem to have their attention (and where they spend it) under control, which is likely part and parcel of how they've come into my orbit. But in my other contexts I see exactly what you're describing. The kids who'd eat candy and ice cream all day if they could, are doing the mental equivalent of an all sugar media diet; and it's not healthy.

We're looking at industrial scale pollution of our information space that's suffered in much the same way as the physical environment.

Filter Failure at the Outrage Factory

‘Filter failure at the outrage factory’ is a term I’ve been using on Twitter[1], usually as part of a quote tweet for something describing the latest social media catalysed atroci…

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@ajroach42 Meredith Whitaker of Signal has some speeches and essays along the lines of "corporate tech tells us some design choices are inevitable, but we do things differently and still reach a large global userbase." But so many things would be better if the USA had passed privacy laws after Nixon, and not lowered taxes just in time for the 90s and oughties web boom to make billionaires

@bookandswordblog So many things would be better if the US had done a Lot of things differently after Nixon, like fired Volker.

But that's another story.

@ajroach42

Great thread. Thank you!

A relative and I are currently working with a professional from Parents 4 Peace https://www.parents4peace.org/ They are fabulous. We're only one session in and they have already helped us. They are free but you can donate. I donated first session and I'm lucky enough to be able to continue to give a little something for each session.

The relative we're trying to help is in his very early 30s. About 2 years ago he went down a right wing rabbit hole and ...

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@ajroach42

...nothing we say, no facts matter. So we need help.

The first thing we were told is that trying to persuade with facts will only push him further away.

Anyway, it's a great organization if anyone needs the help. I think it fits well with what you're saying.

Thank you for the thread

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@ajroach42 It's the people in the middle, too, and a big part of the reason why men and suffering and why the manosphere is a thing.

I've got so many male friends without families, who spend hours. a. day. on YouTube. Most of the them work, but they hate their jobs, they literally don't think their lives matter.

I've got so many female friends, WITH families, who feel they are suffering from undiagnosed ADHD. Whether right or wrong, their attention itself has been stolen.

@OptOut ... That last comment feels pretty misogynistic.

You speak of your male friends with understanding, and your female friends with derision?

@ajroach42 Not my intention, but I understand how it could be read that way.
@ajroach42 I rephrased a bit - I don't like re-writing history but perhaps that makes my point more clearly.
@OptOut Thanks! I'm glad for the clarification.

@ajroach42

Yeah, the forces at play in society are intentionally driving us all towards alself-isolation. It's not just in your imagining, for real yeah?

I've been watching it for the past two decades, which is to say, the entirety of my adult life. Your falling empire attribution is pretty spot on. It's a common symptom, if not the cause, I think.

To what then is the cause? Well, who owns Alphabet? Windows? The S&P 500? As a society since the 1970's America has chucked pallets of cash every day at petro-autokrats. What else were they going to buy with all that un-earned wealth? We are getting autocracy because we sold ourselves to autocrats for oil.

@OvertonDoors The empire I'm talking about is that of the current capitalist oligarchs, not specifically the government of the US.

True enough, no disagreement here @ajroach42
It's the same technology corps in the EU, the same multinational energy corps, the same autocrats subverting democratic norms with the same methodologies Putin has been honing since the late 90's on ruZZia's domestic population.
What I'm focused on in my spare time (former STEM tutor here) is the multinational relations between economics, energy, and increasingly technology.

From 2019: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/03/how-kleptocracy-came-to-america/580471/ wise w/ https://archive.is/

From 2020: https://www.wired.com/story/russia-secondary-infektion-disinformation/

As to the methodology: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firehose_of_falsehood

Kleptocracy Is on the Rise in America

When the U.S.S.R. collapsed, Washington bet on the global spread of democratic capitalist values—and lost.

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@ajroach42 We are not doing "Year of Linux Desktop" even if everyone's a goddamned Borg otherwise. It is just not happening.
@mdhughes What are you talking about, 2025 is clearly the Year of the Linux Desktop.