@torf @juliewebgirl well they not. but I am sure you can use biodegradable glitter protesting. But since it's a democratic elected leader voted by majority out of stupidity, doesn't mean a minority is entitled to make everyone in the world suffer from it and act unhinged. If you feel personally threatened by ice you are welcome to apply as refugee in my country.

Germany also had a lot of protests against Merz and now he is our democratic elect leader we kind of have to suck it up for 4 years.

@MBEverding @juliewebgirl First of all, should I remind you a percentage of AfD electoral result in our beautiful country, where I technically can't be a refugee due to some personal peculiarities (thanks for the invitation, anyway)? Should I also remind how much environmental damage is generated during military actions on the battlefields, which are not so far away from EU now and do have very high probability to come much closer?

I mean, I would be happy if US protesters could protest their protests in an environmentally friendly way, but I would hesitate to ask them to politely surrender because of failure to maintain low environmental impact of their efforts to protect themselves.

@MBEverding @torf @juliewebgirl
That's not how democracy works. Far less than 50% voted for Trump fascists, but even fewer voted for "fascism but not those fascists".

Unfortunately there was no option for no fascism.

That trick is a little harder in Europe, but count on them trying anyway.

@leeloo @torf @juliewebgirl https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election trump 49.8% Harris 48.3%. unlike the free demo version 2016, trump won in the premium version, despite project 2025 preview, fair and square and all voters had a preview what chaos would come.
Yes your election system (unlike MMP voting system in Germany and Scandinavian countries for example) makes it favorable for a 2 party system but not voting is just stupid and allows fascism.

Call me un-american, but we won't invade and "liberate" you.

@MBEverding How do you stop fascism by voting for one of two viable parties, both of which are fascist?

Also I am doubtful that 49.8% is a percentage of the total population. Just like Brexit had only about 27% of the vote, I think? in the UK when you include all non-voters including those underage or otherwise not registered. "The country" did not vote for that.

@BenAveling @johnstonphilip @i_cannot_today @kevin
I, on the other hand, am not assuming, I know without a doubt, that if you are willing to vote for the guy who supports genocide, you are no different than those who vote for the guy who dreams of genocide.

Accept it, the days of "we may be the bad guys, but we are not the other bad guys" being enough to win an election is over. Fascism is fascism, whether it's red or blue fascism.

@johnstonphilip @BenAveling @i_cannot_today @kevin
No, it is not. Voting in support of fascism has never been and will never be the way out of fascism.

Your favorite fascist party may be slightly slower at getting there, but as long as you keep voting for them, they will eventually.

The only way to get the message across to a political party is to stop voting for them until it sinks in (or pay more than the fascist billionaires, but few of us have that option).

Given a choice between the road that definitely goes to fascism now, and the road that you say goes to fascism slowly and maybe you are right, you got what you wanted. Congratulations.

@leeloo @johnstonphilip @i_cannot_today @kevin

@BenAveling @johnstonphilip @i_cannot_today @kevin
Not yet. The democrats haven't gotten the message yet, and we've already seen that it takes more than four years of Trump for them to get it.

They are still "reaching across the middle", FFS, helping Trump out when his policies get so bad that he can't get enough republican support.

This will take a long time. I suspect a few of the worst democrats need to die of old age before we get to see a democrat party that opposes Donald Trump.