Julie Webgirl6d ago

Days?? They'll find glitter in their underwear 5 YEARS from now!

Also, please tell me this is true.

EDIT: a lot of people rejecting this because glitter is not eco-friendly, so I'm adding a link to biodegradable glitter. I'm sure other companies make such a thing.
https://fizzfairy.ca/collections/bio-glitter

ht: @PhoenixSerenity !! Also see her comments on this thread, she's done this before & has great ideas!

Edit2: also, feed your fucking mental health and just laugh without analysis once in awhile!

Show threadMBEverding6d ago
@juliewebgirl please use biodegradable glitter. We don't need more micro plastic
Show threadTorf und Schnee6d ago
@MBEverding @juliewebgirl if they win, everybody concerned about microplastic will rot in Salvadorian prisons.
Show threadMBEverding6d ago
@torf @juliewebgirl not really. I will be safe from ice in Germany but from the micro plastic washed in the ocean getting eaten by the fish I eat I am not. Trump being this way is kind of a predictable shit show majority of Americans voted for (just like brexit). It's difficult to find sympathy for a hell Americans actively voted for but at least don't drag our ocean in with this.
Show threadTorf und Schnee6d ago
@MBEverding @juliewebgirl I wonder if people protesting against ICE and people voted for Trump are the same folks, oder?
Show threadMBEverding6d ago

@torf @juliewebgirl well they not. but I am sure you can use biodegradable glitter protesting. But since it's a democratic elected leader voted by majority out of stupidity, doesn't mean a minority is entitled to make everyone in the world suffer from it and act unhinged. If you feel personally threatened by ice you are welcome to apply as refugee in my country.

Germany also had a lot of protests against Merz and now he is our democratic elect leader we kind of have to suck it up for 4 years.

Show threadTorf und Schnee6d ago

@MBEverding @juliewebgirl First of all, should I remind you a percentage of AfD electoral result in our beautiful country, where I technically can't be a refugee due to some personal peculiarities (thanks for the invitation, anyway)? Should I also remind how much environmental damage is generated during military actions on the battlefields, which are not so far away from EU now and do have very high probability to come much closer?

I mean, I would be happy if US protesters could protest their protests in an environmentally friendly way, but I would hesitate to ask them to politely surrender because of failure to maintain low environmental impact of their efforts to protect themselves.

Show threadMBEverding
@torf @juliewebgirl AFD and Trumpist republicans are very similar, yet you have 51% of them in USA and until now so far only 24% in Germany. Little Germany takes in 10 times as much refugees a year than the maximum imposed on USA. Hate speech against minorities count here not as free speech and are illegal (if that is what you mean with personal percularities). Yes we have Merz currently breaking EU law but we still have functioning courts that are protected now under constitution.
Jun 20 at 10:40amTusky
Show threadLeeloo6d ago

@MBEverding @torf @juliewebgirl
That's not how democracy works. Far less than 50% voted for Trump fascists, but even fewer voted for "fascism but not those fascists".

Unfortunately there was no option for no fascism.

That trick is a little harder in Europe, but count on them trying anyway.

Show threadMBEverding6d ago

@leeloo @torf @juliewebgirl https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election trump 49.8% Harris 48.3%. unlike the free demo version 2016, trump won in the premium version, despite project 2025 preview, fair and square and all voters had a preview what chaos would come.
Yes your election system (unlike MMP voting system in Germany and Scandinavian countries for example) makes it favorable for a 2 party system but not voting is just stupid and allows fascism.

Call me un-american, but we won't invade and "liberate" you.

2024 United States presidential election - Wikipedia

Show threadKelly (who Cannot, Today)6d ago

@MBEverding How do you stop fascism by voting for one of two viable parties, both of which are fascist?

Also I am doubtful that 49.8% is a percentage of the total population. Just like Brexit had only about 27% of the vote, I think? in the UK when you include all non-voters including those underage or otherwise not registered. "The country" did not vote for that.

Show threadMBEverding6d ago

@i_cannot_today democratic party does not want to stop democracy and holds to the Paris agreement. There are also less Nazi supporters.

If you did not vote in the election I don't see how you have a right to complain about how things go. Democracy is something you need to take care of. If right wing are more likely to vote ofc Dems will make policies to get voted.

Show threadLeeloo6d ago

@MBEverding @i_cannot_today
Looking at your post history, I'm pretty sure you didn't vote either, yet you complain just as much about the results as I do.

The only difference between us is that you blame the voters, I blame the fascist parties (both of them).

Show threadWilfried Klaebe6d ago

@leeloo AFAICS, @MBEverding hinted at being in Germany in this very thread, and that likely means they're not a US citizen and not able to vote in US elections. 🤷

@i_cannot_today

Show threadLeeloo6d ago

@wonka @MBEverding @i_cannot_today
Does my comment make more sense if you read it again while assuming that was my point?

I'll give you a hint: Ich bin nie in die vereinigte Staten gewesen.

(That's stretching the limit of my German skills, while I can see across the border from my front door, that does not confer language skills).

Show threadWilfried Klaebe6d ago

@leeloo Oh, yes. *waves from Lübeck to Denmark*

@MBEverding @i_cannot_today

Show threadLeeloo6d ago

@wonka @MBEverding @i_cannot_today
And now I realise that the post I replied to was not even to me, but to a Scottish person🤣🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

Oh well, guess my point still stands🤔

Show threadMBEverding5d ago
@leeloo @i_cannot_today voted European election national election Saxony election and regional election. I don't have the luxury to not vote since the far right is strong here. I need to vote strategic and it helps. Greens got barely in in saxony election for example. far right+CDU were before Jan 29 in polls close to get 2/3 majority (dangerous for our constitution).
Show threadLeeloo5d ago

@MBEverding @i_cannot_today
So you voted just as much as I did.

Tell me, if someone told you to vote CDU, or the fascists will win, would you do that?

I wouldn't, yet that's what I keep getting told about the USA.

Show threadMBEverding5d ago

@leeloo @i_cannot_today in Germany we have MMP voting system and for the first of two votes it's like USA winner takes all. I always vote CDU on first vote to try to prevent AFD. Last election AFD von but previous one was a CDU Girl Yvonne magwas who even supported to ban of AFD. Unfortunately she stopped politics.

Strategic voting means also that you vote greens or left to get over 5%

Show threadLeeloo5d ago

@MBEverding @i_cannot_today
So another voting system that supports fascists.

And you don't see the problem?

Show threadMBEverding5d ago

@leeloo @i_cannot_today I only see the trolley problem here. If I don't do shit and not vote or vote third party in winner takes all, I enable the mega fascist. If I use my direct vote on a less fascist party I enable a party with a current fascist leaders who cuddle up under Merz and spahn but have a lot of Merkel lovers among them that might block them.

Would you pull the leaver?

Show threadLeeloo5d ago
@MBEverding @i_cannot_today
I would not vote to put the fascists in power.
Show threadMBEverding4d ago
@leeloo @i_cannot_today when it comes to where I live CDU or AFD certainly will win the regional vote. So you would not vote CDU and allow AFD to win. When it comes to the trolley you would not pull the lever to kill the one guy to save the 5 others. And when it comes to another similar problem you would not go against your principal to not kill people even if it is killing Hitler right?
Show threadLeeloo4d ago

@MBEverding @i_cannot_today
The problem is when a whole lot of people think like you, and all vote for fascist appeasers because otherwise the fascists will win, but those same votes are the ones that ensure that one of the fascist parties will win.

The USA shows the end result of that line of thinking.

Show threadMBEverding4d ago

@leeloo @i_cannot_today please do enlighten me how voting CDU in regional vote to prevent AFD is not the same as pulling the lever in the trolley problem.

I don't see how USA shows anything. People chose project 2025 under trump and potentially loose their democracy because some few were too picky to vote Dems to prevent that.

Show threadLeeloo4d ago
@MBEverding @i_cannot_today
You're a waste of time. You're just making excuses for repeating the slide to the right we've seen in the US, and even when the AfD eventually wins, you aren't going to accept that voting for their supporters were a mistake.
Show threadJulie Webgirl5d ago

@MBEverding
If we were forced to vote for one of two fascist parties, we are then an authoritative country.

We have the RIGHT to vote. We also have the right not to.
@i_cannot_today

Show threadMBEverding5d ago
@juliewebgirl @i_cannot_today no one is forcing anything on you. It's a democracy so you are even free to side with Donald Trump. Just be warned that not voting will strengthen Donald Trump as well.
For left, voting Dems or go into a dictatorship under trump (not doing anything) is the trolley problem you have to face. But I would pull the leaver in the trolley problem hence I would vote
Show threadPhil Johnston6d ago
@i_cannot_today @MBEverding you vote in more than just the general election. You vote in the primaries too, so you control who is running. @benroyce
Show threadKelly (who Cannot, Today)6d ago
@johnstonphilip The post I was replying to was about voting in the main election. The General Election, or whatever it's called over there.
Show threadPhil Johnston6d ago
@i_cannot_today I’m just saying to whoever listens, stopping fascism happens by getting more involved in democracy, not less. Instead of not voting because both parties suck, get involved at the party formation level to shape the party into something you’d vote for. Vote in primaries, etc.
Show threadKevin6d ago
@johnstonphilip @i_cannot_today Not voting is exactly how we got here. All it does is hand power over to malignant forces. But they get to say they're an anarchist, I guess.
Show threadBen Aveling6d ago
@johnstonphilip @i_cannot_today @kevin i just assume that anyone arguing against voting democrat is a Trump supporter.
Show threadLeeloo6d ago

@BenAveling @johnstonphilip @i_cannot_today @kevin
I, on the other hand, am not assuming, I know without a doubt, that if you are willing to vote for the guy who supports genocide, you are no different than those who vote for the guy who dreams of genocide.

Accept it, the days of "we may be the bad guys, but we are not the other bad guys" being enough to win an election is over. Fascism is fascism, whether it's red or blue fascism.

Show threadPhil Johnston6d ago
@leeloo @BenAveling @i_cannot_today @kevin that’s like saying you won’t take the bus that takes you north because you need to go east, when the only connection to the east line is north of you. Sometimes you gotta do whatever gets you closer. It’s called pragmatism.
Show threadLeeloo6d ago

@johnstonphilip @BenAveling @i_cannot_today @kevin
No, it is not. Voting in support of fascism has never been and will never be the way out of fascism.

Your favorite fascist party may be slightly slower at getting there, but as long as you keep voting for them, they will eventually.

The only way to get the message across to a political party is to stop voting for them until it sinks in (or pay more than the fascist billionaires, but few of us have that option).

Show threadBen Aveling6d ago

Given a choice between the road that definitely goes to fascism now, and the road that you say goes to fascism slowly and maybe you are right, you got what you wanted. Congratulations.

@leeloo @johnstonphilip @i_cannot_today @kevin

Show threadLeeloo6d ago

@BenAveling @johnstonphilip @i_cannot_today @kevin
Not yet. The democrats haven't gotten the message yet, and we've already seen that it takes more than four years of Trump for them to get it.

They are still "reaching across the middle", FFS, helping Trump out when his policies get so bad that he can't get enough republican support.

This will take a long time. I suspect a few of the worst democrats need to die of old age before we get to see a democrat party that opposes Donald Trump.

Show threadKevin6d ago

@leeloo @BenAveling @johnstonphilip @i_cannot_today No one is saying the Democrats have gotten the message or are doing anything right. Who cares. There is a larger threat.

But keep being ideologically pure. That always works out great.

Show threadBen Aveling6d ago
@kevin At some point, and maybe we have reached that point, people will be prepared to rally around an alternative to Trump, if one presents itself. But it's a race against time.

@leeloo @johnstonphilip @i_cannot_today
Show threadLeeloo6d ago

@kevin @BenAveling @johnstonphilip @i_cannot_today
He said I got what I wanted.

What I want is for the democrats to stop the push to the right, and start pushing back. Alternatively for at least one of the parties to lose so badly that it makes room for a party that actually gets it.

NOT fascism personified vs fascism appeasement.

Show threadPhil Johnston6d ago
@leeloo @kevin @BenAveling @i_cannot_today the way you get that is by voting in the primaries. VOTE IN THE PRIMARIES
Show threadLeeloo6d ago
@johnstonphilip @kevin @BenAveling @i_cannot_today
And until that works, you need to stop rewarding them for pissing on voters.
Show threadPhil Johnston6d ago
@leeloo @kevin @BenAveling @i_cannot_today negative. You can do both. Otherwise you are literally supporting Trump, who is objectively worse than Kamala.
Show threadLeeloo6d ago
@johnstonphilip @kevin @BenAveling @i_cannot_today
Supporting fascism IS supporting Trump.
Show threadPhil Johnston6d ago
@leeloo @kevin @BenAveling @i_cannot_today negative, and you know that. Kamala is objectively better than Trump.
Show threadBen Aveling6d ago

@leeloo Yeah, we all want that. But giving the madman the keys in order to prove he's mad wasn't the best way to do it. (IMHO, of course, because no one is ever told what would have happened on the other timeline.)

@kevin @johnstonphilip @i_cannot_today

Show threadBen Aveling6d ago

@leeloo This is of course the problem - the more people see of fascism, the less they like it. But by that stage, it probably doesn't matter any more.

@johnstonphilip @i_cannot_today @kevin

Show threadPhil Johnston6d ago
@leeloo @BenAveling @i_cannot_today @kevin so your strategy is to “stop voting for them until it sinks in”? Seriously?
Show threadBen Aveling6d ago

@johnstonphilip There's a race happening, in which the fascists a) makes life worse for everyone (including themselves), and b) the fascists make it harder and harder to organise opposition.

How this ends depends on which of those things happen faster.

@leeloo @i_cannot_today @kevin

Show threadLeeloo6d ago

@johnstonphilip @BenAveling @i_cannot_today @kevin
That's called a democracy.

Fascists love when they can convince people that having a choice between Putin and Medvedev makes any difference, but voting for either of them only helps Donald Putin.

Show threadPhil Johnston6d ago
@leeloo @BenAveling @i_cannot_today @kevin VOTE IN THE PRIMARIES
Show threadBen Royce 🇺🇦6d ago

@BenAveling @johnstonphilip @i_cannot_today @kevin

sometimes nonvoters are entitled: "nothing bad will happen to me so who cares"

or clueless idiots: they think nothing bad will happen to them, but it will

or like you say they are literally trump supporters: they know toxic idealism immobilizes airheads, so they cosplay as leftist with easy pictures and easy quotes in their profile, then they proclaim that dems aren't perfect angrily, and voila: trump presidency. it's a very easy troll effort

Show threadBen Royce 🇺🇦6d ago

@kevin @johnstonphilip @i_cannot_today

they won't get to call themselves anarchists when the party in power decides to machine gun anarchists

and how that party got in power is because the anarchists didn't vote

it's straightforward

some people care more about their self-regard and feeling edgy than moving their country in a good direction

but they want perfection

they're immature

Show threadLog 🪵6d ago
@benroyce @kevin @johnstonphilip @i_cannot_today My human couchlord is an anarchist, as am I. They voted for Harris and other Democrats. I'm not allowed to vote in the human elections, but I voted mostly United Miners over Elderwoods, not because they're perfect, but because they're more left. You vote for the best option that is available. It's when you act outside the voting booth that you uphold your own principles. Because no one tells you you can only do one of two things.
Show threadBen Royce 🇺🇦6d ago

@log @kevin @johnstonphilip @i_cannot_today

to me not voting speaks of insecurity

i go in the voting booth and i choose the dems even though the dems suck, because it's strategy in the larger game, and not the only thing i'm doing. move in a good direction and iterate

but someone who is insecure feels their vote identifies them. so they only allow themselves perfect moves, everything has to be like a romance movie. because they have a fragile sense of self-regard. immaturity essentially

Show threadLog 🪵6d ago
@benroyce @kevin @johnstonphilip @i_cannot_today I recall people pouting that lower lip out super far saying Harris supports Palestinian genocide. Well, it turns out the choice was probably slow Palestinian genocide versus fast Palestinian genocide plus war between Israel and Iran, Syria, and Lebanon all at once, with attacks on humanitarian aid missions completely ignored. So the nonvote identifies you as someone who can't even solve a trolley problem.
Show threadBen Royce 🇺🇦6d ago

@log @kevin @johnstonphilip @i_cannot_today

nonvoters like hannah arendt's quote

“those who choose the lesser evil forget quickly that they chose evil”

problems being:

1. every political contest that ever existed and ever will exist can be framed as choosing the lesser evil. they miss her context

2. hannah arendt, who fought fascism, would probably smack them: "no, you airhead fucks, you need to vote to prevent fascism here." although that might not be her exact choice of words

Show threadVulcanTourist6d ago

@benroyce @log @kevin @johnstonphilip @i_cannot_today

> that might not be her exact choice of words

Oh no, I'm quite certain that I heard her utter those precise words. 😉

Show threadBen Royce 🇺🇦6d ago

@VulcanTourist @log @kevin @johnstonphilip @i_cannot_today

drunk hannah is scary hannah

Show threadPoloniousmonk6d ago

@benroyce

I generally vote dem in all the downticket races, but leave president blank.

I voted for Harris this year. First time I've ever voted demopblican for president, but Biden actually governed well. And, y'know...trump.

I wish the dems hadn't run Hillary to lose rather than Bernie to win, but I get the strategy.

Show threadPuck Rickenbacker6d ago

@benroyce @log @kevin @johnstonphilip @i_cannot_today

When I was in my 20s I just didnt give it much thought, it wasnt insecurity, it just wasn't a focus at the time. I didnt pay any attention to politics so l thought it best to leave voting to people who knew what they were doing. I did briefly hear Jimmy Carter on TV one time and thought he seemed decent so people would naturally vote for him. Ahhhh, youth. By my early 30s I understood my responsibilities to all of us better, got registered and voted ever since.

Show threadBen Royce 🇺🇦6d ago

@Puck @log @kevin @johnstonphilip @i_cannot_today

respect

Show threadCookiefiend6d ago
@benroyce @log Oh, gosh. The number of Americans I talk to who don't vote because "politics doesn't affect me." It's mind-boggling ignorance rather then insecurity, I think.
Show thread@stevewfolds5d ago
@LPerry2 @benroyce @log I don’t have to ask my friends about their politics.
Show threadDeb Nam-Krane5d ago
@LPerry2 I think it's more than an American problem. People in other countries like the UK don't seem to realize how interconnected everyone in a given country is, and that if a gov't comes for the most vulnerable group, it's just a matter of time before they work their way up the privilege ladder and come for you. @benroyce @log
Show threadNekodojo5d ago

@benroyce @kevin @johnstonphilip @i_cannot_today
There’s no owners manual for your vote. Nobody tells voters that third parties can’t win and that the opposite side *wants* you to vote for third parties, Mickey Mouse, or ride the couch.

Nobody tells us that we have to show up to PRIMARIES to get better choices, and we have to come together in November or our coalition will have no power and move closer to the “center”

We can’t rely on Democrats. But we can’t do this without them either. We need to figure out how to join and make changes we want from the inside. We don’t have proportional representation, ranked choice voting, #FusionVoting yet.

Have a look at WFP @WorkingFamilies for a model of a third party working within the system and pushing Progressive candidates without being spoilers like Greens are.