That’s true now. But they could have at least tried releasing the hostages if they were “going to go extinct” - a condition upon which they have promised to end the war. But no, they just don’t want it. Too bad, you can’t keep hostages if you’re the supposedly persecuted people.

There is no genocide. That’s just your opinion not everyone agrees on. In fact there can be no such thing as genocide outside of attacking a group unaffiliated with any militant activity for no reason. That’s not the case here. The war has to go on, and there is no way to avoid this to satisfy that condition.

Or else, you could ask Hamas to release the hostages. If not, you’re just asking for Israel to accept the hostages to be taken. There is no possible way out unless Hamas is destroyed, and it is plain simple. You want Israel to give up and have the problem solved - no that’s not gonna happen. Because the problem is on the other end.

I think everyone here is nuts

False. Israel is not a theocratic state. It is a democratic state built primarily for the people of the Jewish ethnicity and/or religion. And 20% of it’s population are Arab Muslims.

You’re accusimg the leftists who condemn Israel of being pro-Palestine, when that’s actually two separate issues, and it’s in fact quite easy to condemn the patently evil oppression and slaughter of innocents without supporting the government under which they live.

And at the same time, in your rush to opposevthe undeniable toxicity of Islamic fundamentalism, you’re ignoring or excusing the laundry list of atrocities in which Israel engages on a literally daily basis.

It’s not an evil oppression and slaughter of the innocents, because they are not slaughtering them because they want their land. If the Muhammadians cared, they’d be opposing Hamas, but none of them ever raise voice against them. And I never see any Muhammadians ever raising voice for oppressed minorities. This cult only cares about its own members and to spread its religion. Jews have never been like that. They just need a spot to live in peace, and they’ve never tried to convert anyone.

If you had the working brain you claim to have, you’d be able to make the small stretch to condemning both Islamic oppression and Zionist oppression, instead of ignorantly treating it as an all or nothing prospect in which opposition to one requires support for the other.

I’m not a war expert to question Zionist oppression. I think if there was a better way of fighting the war, Israel would have done it. Muhammadians are a very special type of enemies who don’t behave like normal people. You’ll get that if you see how the Judeo-Christian Bible is chronologically ordered, while the Qur’aan, which backs off Bible stories explains stories in no sensible order, and you sort of have to bend your brain a lot to make sense of all that it says, and it has an entire 20k+ and more sets of Hadeeths that you have to connect in various ways to get the nuances of when to do Jihaad and all that. Think of a very shady and large (possibly the largest ever) T&C document.

I’ve studied these things after some of these idiots tried to convert me, and I know if there is any form of deception that’s possible, it’s in their plans. Of course, there are many peaceful people, but I’m talking about the ideology. Another example is how, just as with the right interpretation of Qur’aan 9:1 and associated Sunnah conditions which says that “indefinite term treaties” can always be broken by believers - Pakistan recently violated the ceasefire they themselves asked for within 3 hours to fire more drones at India, in a war they started by terrorism. Unconventional enemies requires unconventional warfare tactics.

Maybe I do understand. People have low attention span, and get their info from TikTok shorts.

You don’t understand by arguing, you understand by listening.

I spent 2 years doing that, taking my own notes and doing research. That’s why I know Muhammadianism well, since I realized that’s the root of the issue. And these idiots would never accept a solution that goes against Muhammadianism. Sorry, I’m all for liberal values, I can’t deal with these morons who don’t want peace. I’ve talked to plenty of these people, some of whom now identify as Jihaadists, and many in my college who want to give their life for Islaam. Too bad. And these guys also took over our Discord and spread hate against everyone in the community and destroyed it, and don’t leave the server even now (and the admin is inactive).

I can only help them by offering them liberal values. They want an Islamic state, so I can’t help. I listen, and I listen more than you do. You should know that there are more than 100x more Muhammadians than Jews too, in case you think all that you listened is not just biased opinions. Also, you can never safely criticize their beliefs without potentially getting yourself killed.

I only regret supporting Palestine and criticizing Zionism for a year from Oct 7 to support these liars.

Not all religion is based on enforcing moral laws. I think most religion has to do with ontology. Besides, this entire conflict is only about the religion of Muhammadians and the ethnic interests of Jews to get back their homeland. Ultra Orthodox Jews think Israel shouldn’t have been regained before the Moshiach arrived, and so they were fine being Dhimmi-s in Ottoman Empire.

stop killing people

Yeah, you can say that to robbers and other criminals too. All this criticism I see here is only against Israel is because they happen to be the stronger ones. Like people are just more jealous of someone succeeding than they are rational.

Israel’s self-defense is not like USA’s Vietnam War.

Most zionists use history and ancestry to justify occupation. They are basically using science. Saying the conflict is because of religion is oversimplification