XanthohumolMay 14, 2025
BlueTeamSherpa 

Yes, It Is Just Like The Nazis
Hey so remember Anne Frank? The Jewish young girl who hid in an attic and was killed by the Nazis? The emblematic person we think of when we think of victims of the Holocaust?

She did not die in a gas chamber or in a death camp. She died in a temporary' detention center for the mass deportations which preceded the death camps.
She was in that camp because a patriotic neighbor ratted her out to the German deportation force. She died, not of a bullet to the back of the head or choking on gas, but of typhus. She contracted typhus because the Nazis couldn't realistically deport people at the rate they wanted to, because before the death camps their infrastructure couldn't handle the sudden influx of ethnic minorities they had decided to imprison, and because they didn't care about the consequences of that so their deportation detention centers were unhygienic and prisoners were underfed and overcrowded.

And she was picked up by the deportation force not because she was an illegal citizen but because, just like the US is doing with asylum seekers, she was part of a formerly recognized class of citizens who were legally redefined to lack citizenship by a new administration.

Anne Frank is exactly like the children who have already died in the United State's detention camps. Exactly. Down to the very last detail. There. Is. Not. A.
Single. Difference.

So unless you want to fucking tell me that Anne goddamn Frank was not a victim of the Holocaust, y'all can shut the fuck up with that "stop making concentration camp comparisons, you're diminishing the suffering of the Holocaust" bullshit.

Its also worth noting that her family TRIED to flee to the US and was denied. She was in that camp partly because the US refused to let her refugee family immigrate.

May 13, 2025 at 11:37pmWeb
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Show threadMartin Vermeer FCDMay 14, 2025

@blogdiva @Blueteamsherpa This is also true for the earlier, actual, genuine* concentration camps, like the ones in South Africa during the Boer War. Almost all deaths were due to disease, malnutrition and exposure.

*as in: concentrating the civilian population away from guerilla fighters during an actual war

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Boer_War_concentration_camps

Second Boer War concentration camps - Wikipedia

Show threadNKTMay 14, 2025
@martinvermeer @blogdiva @Blueteamsherpa this is exactly what's happening in Gaza, but without food or water, because the Israelis sealed it.
Show threadMartin Vermeer FCDMay 14, 2025
@Dss @blogdiva @Blueteamsherpa Actually it is worse, as it is clearly intentional. A least the South African concentration camps tried to not be too obvious about it.
Show threadMartin Vermeer FCDMay 16, 2025

@Dss @blogdiva @Blueteamsherpa The thing is, when you lock up lots of people in a confined space, *you* become responsible for providing them with the necessities of life. And if those people are labeled 'not us' or even 'against us', the temptation is to take that obligation lazily, and soon people start dying like flies. We saw that, e.g., with people incarcerated during and after the Finnish civil war. It's an ugly logic.

Heck, as @mekkaokereke pointed out, it even applies to ordinary criminal incarceration (though I will say that the American gulag is a sui generis):

https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2017/06/26/life_expectancy/

Incarceration shortens life expectancy

Each year in prison takes 2 years off an individual's life expectancy. With over 2.3 million people locked up, mass incarceration has shortened the overall ...

Show threadPeter BrownJul 4, 2025
@martinvermeer @Dss @blogdiva @Blueteamsherpa @mekkaokereke “when you lock up lots of people in a confined space, *you* become responsible for providing them with the necessities of life. And if those people are labeled 'not us' or even 'against us', the temptation is to take that obligation lazily, and soon people start dying like flies.”
Show threadSimon BrookeJul 4, 2025

@martinvermeer @Dss @blogdiva @Blueteamsherpa The British may not have intentionally tried to kill the Boer women and children, but they certainly didn't try very hard NOT to.

#Inhumanity

Show threadNKTJul 4, 2025
@simon_brooke @martinvermeer @blogdiva @Blueteamsherpa I don't recall the British troops shelling food queues though.
Show threadSimon BrookeJul 4, 2025

@Dss @martinvermeer @blogdiva @Blueteamsherpa no. Even by the standards of human history, the current #Israeli army is pretty outstandingly evil.

#GazaGenocide

Show threadAaronMay 14, 2025

@Dss @martinvermeer @blogdiva @Blueteamsherpa It just blows my mind that a nation founded by a group of people who had this done to them not a century ago could turn around and do the same thing to someone else.

Human beings are not vermin, and should never be treated as such.

Show threadBen AvelingMay 14, 2025
@hosford42 @blogdiva @martinvermeer @Dss @Blueteamsherpa only a minority of Zionists had survived the Nazis themselves. And many of those were collaborators, because that’s often exactly how you survived. Some of them had tried to stop Jews being able to flee to anywhere except Palestine.
Show threadBlueTeamSherpa May 19, 2025

@blogdiva @hosford42 @BenAveling @martinvermeer @Dss let’s see:

1) refer to Jews as Zionists.
2) blame Jews for the death of Jews by unethical actions.

You sir can go anally insert a long cactus!

Show threadBlueTeamSherpa May 19, 2025
@martinvermeer @Dss @blogdiva @hosford42 I didn’t vote for the orange shitgibbon, with the hope that some of this shit would have been stopped.
Show threadTobin BakerMay 14, 2025
@Blueteamsherpa "patriotic"???
Show threadL'égrégore André ꕭꕬMay 14, 2025
@tobinbaker @Blueteamsherpa Yes, patriotic. As in team "the leaders of [this nation] says it's the right thing to do, and since [this nation]'s the best no matter who's in charge I'm all in – go [nation]!!"
Show threadL'égrégore André ꕭꕬMay 14, 2025
@tobinbaker Just to add a bit of an explainer: that type of patriot doesn't care if the leaders are an occupying force¹ or locals working against the country's best interest² as long as they're handed someone to blame.
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¹ nazis in Netherlands
² maga in the USA
Show threadfraggleMay 14, 2025
@Blueteamsherpa "patriotic" neighbor needs a lot more quotes around it. The Nazis were an occupying force in the Netherlands and collaborators are never patriots
Show threadJ. R. DePriest    :EA DATA. SF:May 14, 2025

@fraggle @Blueteamsherpa

The word "patriotic" is accurate because patriotism is about putting the state above the self and should always be discouraged. It blinds you. It gives you an excuse. It's never a positive thing.
You can be proud of your heritage, your culture, or your nation while not elevating it to mythical status.
Patriotism implies that your specific thing is better than the other peoples' things.
Patriotism is a slippery slope every time.

Show threadAlexTECPlayzMay 14, 2025

@jrdepriest @fraggle @Blueteamsherpa "You can be proud of your heritage, your culture, or your nation" is what patriotism usually is.

People like the one that ratted out Anne Frank are not patriots. He's only a "patriot" in the eyes of the Nazi regime. There are many so-called patriots in the US that are just white supremacists, fascists or Nazis. They're only "patriots" from the perspective of their respective affiliations, such as MAGA.

"that your specific thing is better than the other peoples' things" is nationalism, not patriotism. Patriotism is fine, good even. Nationalism is never good. There are a lot of similarities between the two since nationalism is just extreme patriotism that can also be mixed with racism, fascism, etc.

Show threadSufferForMe 🆘May 14, 2025

@alextecplayz

my simple rule of thumb: those trying to protect a country and its citizens are the patriots, those trying to kill its own citizens and destroy the country are not.

@jrdepriest @fraggle @Blueteamsherpa

Show threadAaronMay 14, 2025
@sufferforme @alextecplayz @jrdepriest @fraggle @Blueteamsherpa "Nationalist" is the word for these folks.
Show threadAaronMay 14, 2025
@sufferforme @alextecplayz @jrdepriest @fraggle @Blueteamsherpa But they will call themselves patriots.
Show threadGrandpa DonMay 14, 2025

@alextecplayz @jrdepriest @fraggle @Blueteamsherpa

Agreed
"My country right or wrong" is a cowardly copout. They call it "patriotism" to avoid admitting they are gutless.

Right now, in this country, "patriotism" is REJECTING everything the regime does. I never forgave slavery, trail of tears, jim crow, etc. I am "patriotic" to the CONCEPT of the Great Experiment. That involves seeking to make it reality.

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@dbc3 @alextecplayz @jrdepriest @fraggle @Blueteamsherpa
Right? You want your country to be the best and you're pissed that it isn't even trying. I got told I was anti British, I'm like no, I want us to be great, we just aren't right now. Also I think the things I was proud of were different than the person I was talking to.
Show threadJ. R. DePriest    :EA DATA. SF:May 14, 2025

@alextecplayz @fraggle @Blueteamsherpa

"Patriotism" vs. "nationalism" is a good call.
Unfortunately I think the meaning of the word "patriotism" has become corrupted by so much misuse by oppressive governments, including the USA.
I'm not sure you can use it without caveats and asterisks.

Show thread.May 15, 2025

@jrdepriest @fraggle @Blueteamsherpa
This. I don't care about the distinction between 'patriot' and 'nationalist' anymore. Especially when at least one of the countries we're talking about (USA just so we're clear) has ABSOLUTELY FUCKING NOTHING to be proud of in the first place.

Like, it's racism all the way down, even if it weren't for the current Trump term or the previous, from the very beginning to now, it's just racism all the way down, almost every single decision made in this country's history, has been informed in full or in part by racism.

The only thing I can see an argument in favour of this would be involving the communities that are trapped in this country because they can't afford a passport and/or a plane ticket to escape this hellhole-that-was-always-fascist-to-begin-with.

This whole country was a lie from the start.

Show threadVGC.369May 14, 2025
@Blueteamsherpa Funny how people scream ‘never again’ and then get offended when you point out that ‘again’ has already started.
Show threadנחום Philoxenon וו.May 14, 2025

@VGC_369
Unfortunately, For some of my [Jewish] People, 'Never Again' means 'Never Again to me or to my people,' not 'Never Again to anyone.' This is a very myopic and self-centered interpretation, but my government, alas, seems to have fallen for it.

@Blueteamsherpa

Show threadVGC.369May 14, 2025
@NWengrov @Blueteamsherpa Such a powerful point. It’s disheartening how often communities rightfully speak out against the harm they face, yet turn around and inflict harm on others—without realizing they’re, in effect, validating the same cycles of injustice they oppose.
Show threadAaronMay 14, 2025
@VGC_369 @Blueteamsherpa Never even stopped.
Show threadVGC.369May 14, 2025
@hosford42 @Blueteamsherpa Good point, sadly. 😔
Show threadSeán FenianMay 14, 2025
@VGC_369 @Blueteamsherpa "There are two kinds of people in the world." (Yes, yet another binary false partitioning.)

There's the kind who thought "Never again" meant "This must never happen again, period." And there's the kind that mean it as "This must never happen again TO US. But anyone else is fair game."
Show threadDaniel SchweringMay 14, 2025
@Blueteamsherpa There is the difference that the Nazis planned to kill her whole people and so Anne as well. The US claims to 'just' want to deport them and doesn't mind if some people die on the way. I'm not sure if malevolent neglect is better than intended murder, but it is a difference in the greater picture - not that it matters to the detained/killed 😠
It is terrible and should be resisted, but I'd still be careful with the word Holocaust. Comparing the current deportations in the US to the manner the Nazis did them is spot on. The Shoah is still a step further we must not reach again.
Show threadten white women in the suburbsMay 14, 2025
@DanielSchwering @Blueteamsherpa I think rounding up members of a minority, cramming them in disease ridden camps, and deporting them back to a minority country is biological warfare attempting to eliminate a large population of minorities. If you think this is a cruel accident, please also remember these are the same people who have anxiety over the Great Replacement.
Show threadDudula the DudMay 14, 2025
@DanielSchwering The Nazis didn't use the word "Extermination", they called it "Resettlement To The East". @Blueteamsherpa
Show threadFionaMay 14, 2025
@BackFromTheDud @DanielSchwering @Blueteamsherpa @stephaniepixie And they didn't start with that either. In the early years they claimed they were encouraging Jews to migrate out of Germany. Which actually did happen, in ways that forced them to leave most of their belongings behind to save their lives (which in turn made it harder for those trying to flee to find countries that'd accept them, all too familiar today).

Mind I'm not saying the Nazis didn't intend to get to mass murder eventually (and it wasn't all that hidden either).
Show threadBlueTeamSherpa May 19, 2025
@stephaniepixie @airtower @BackFromTheDud @DanielSchwering so you know, that would include my mother’s side of the family.
Show threadFrank Bennett 🇯🇵May 14, 2025
@DanielSchwering @Blueteamsherpa We don't know this. We don't have access to internal policy discussions or the notes and reflections of Mr. Stephen Miller. But the indifference of the junta to human lives is plain, and events and rhetorical hysteria are certainly pointing in the direction of a larger humanitarian catastrophe at home as well as abroad.
Show threadAriaflameMay 15, 2025
@fgbjr @DanielSchwering @Blueteamsherpa If it looks like a nazi, and acts like a nazi....
Show threadMorgan ⚧️May 14, 2025
@DanielSchwering @Blueteamsherpa it's a very bold assumption that it's not killing that the Trump admin is after. If they really just wanted to deport people, those flights to El Salvador could've been to people's actual home countries (yes ik some immigrants are from El Salvador but they sure aren't from CECOT)
Show threadrevphilMay 14, 2025
@Blueteamsherpa "you can't stay and you can't go, so would you mind dying quietly, elsewhere"
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Show threadStefan SchollMay 14, 2025
@Blueteamsherpa that’s why the trolls now spread that she was a fictional character.
Show threadCsepp 🌢May 14, 2025
see above post
Show threadApaulDMay 14, 2025
@Blueteamsherpa
absolutely 💯 My mother survived Nazism as a ‘hidden child’. One generation ago. And here we are again. Same shit, different perpetrators, different targets. For now.
Show threadEndicottRoad59May 14, 2025
@Blueteamsherpa Well said. Thanks for bringing that up.
Show threadRobin BartonMay 14, 2025
@Blueteamsherpa I think people are suggesting that we have not reached the numbers of the Holocaust and the use of ovens etc
Show threadAaronMay 14, 2025
@Robo105 @Blueteamsherpa How long did it take after they started using the ovens for it to become public knowledge?
Show threadRobin BartonMay 14, 2025
@hosford42 @Blueteamsherpa My information suggest around December 1942. Historians argue whether it was the pressures of the war which created fear and didn't allow the explusion of what the nazis called undesirables (Gays, Roma, Slavs, Jews etc) or whether they had an intention to always have the death camps (Structuralist vs Intentionalist viewpoint)
https://blogs.dickinson.edu/quallsk/2014/11/24/conflict-of-perceptions-intentionalists-vs-structuralists/
Conflict of Perceptions: Intentionalists vs. Structuralists | Prof. Qualls' Course Blogs

Show threadAaronMay 14, 2025
@Robo105 @Blueteamsherpa I'm sure there was plenty of both.
Show threadRobin BartonMay 14, 2025
@hosford42 @Blueteamsherpa I would agree
Show threadFazal MajidMay 14, 2025
@Blueteamsherpa and let's not forget, she would not have died if the US had accepted one of her father Otto Frank's many asylum applications.
Show threadDer TeilweiseMay 15, 2025

@Blueteamsherpa “She died in a temporary' detention center for the mass deportations which preceded the death camps.” that part is not correct:

After their arrest, they were in a local jail for a few days before they were brought to the Westerbork transit camp, a staging location for concentration camps elsewhere. On arrival in KZ Auschwitz, everyone younger than 15 (Anne was 3 month older) was sent to the gas chambers. She was later brought to Bergen-Belsen concentration camp where she died.