Google is ending support for 1st and 2nd gen Nest thermostats this October. They’ll still function—but without updates or cloud features, they could become security risks. Software shouldn’t decide when your hardware dies.

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@iFixit 2020 for the first release, what a shame.

@iFixit I was sad that my Nest thermostat had to be replaced since it still worked well. I took advantage of the deal for a 4th gen with the remote temperature sensor.

I had been looking at getting a temperature sensor anyway since my bedroom was always 5 degrees warmer in the summer and about the same colder in the winter. So far it is keeping the temperature consistent much better than before I upgraded.

@iFixit I agree 100%. But, it definitely seems like this is the entire strategy for tech these days, to obsolete it and force customers to buy the product again. It happens again and again and again and again...
@iFixit They always WERE security risks. Because Google having eyes or ears inside your home is a security threat.

Google is not your friend.
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Campaign idea. All software/ firmware abandoned, unsupported by the company that produced it should be open-sourced. If the company goes bust the receiver should handle it. If there's enough interest someone will use it, fork it, offer support packages and bug fixes. Or develop an alternative.

@pthane @iFixit the endgame of IoT is to keep you chained to a service or brand.

The problem is not the hardware, but the fact that it needs to use a server that is not yours. It may be possible to hack the firmware and built the server, but I understand that it is currently illegal. Nice project, though.

Google hardware? I would never buy anything from them. It is a shame that Nest and their clients were bought by Google

@wtrmt
One of the good things about being a cynical old bastard is there is no chance I'll ever buy any of this stuff.
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It's only illegal because governments have chosen to abase themselves before the Tech Gods and make it so. And the server aspect could probably be a module for Nextcloud.
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@iFixit worst thermostat I've ever owned. near-impossible to integrate with once google acquired them. app was awful. glad to see the back of it. Tado isn't perfect (and Nest's industrial design is nicer admittedly) but miles better.
@iFixit also Tado are German if you're looking to disconnect from the USA.

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If a user doesn't get suspicious when a basic thermostat needs repetitive software updates, then the biggest security risk is not the software but the user.

@iFixit an apartment I rented had Nest Thermostat E, and I went through *four* of them in the 1.5 years I lived there. They just kept breaking down. Biggest piece of e-waste I've ever seen personally.

@iFixit I want to have a smart home for the convience of everything. But I am too concerned about my devices loosing software support. I don't want them being hacked. I don't like how everything needs an internet connection, an account, or has to use AI.

Does anyone know of a fully set up smart home that runs completely locally, for a comparable price?

@iFixit this sucks. Google people should be punished for this.
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Attached: 1 image Dear Google - kindly and sincerely, get fucked. In 2013 we built a new house and installed Nest thermostats in each of the 3 HVAC zones because we wanted the house to be energy efficient. A year ago, one of the thermostats got bumped so I replaced it. The same model wasn't available so I took what I could get. This thermostat has a serious bug - when heating, about once a month it would call for heat and never shut it off. There have been no firmware updates and none scheduled. Recently you announced that these thermostats are no longer supported by the Nest app. You "generously" offered discounts on current models. Yeah...no. I got three refurbished ecobee thermostats for less than 2 of your replacements. Isn't your mantra supposed to be "don't be evil?" Clearly that ship has sailed. #internetOfShit #enshittification #google

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@iFixit I bought my nest thermostats before Google bought nest. That was the beginning of the end. Google sucks at software.
@cigitalgem @iFixit When I sold my vacation house, I told the new owners that if they didn't Iike my non-Nest smart thermostats and wanted to replace them, they should get anything other than Nest, precisely because of Google's habit of discontinuing services on very short notice.
@SteveBellovin @cigitalgem @iFixit I understand. I have watched Google ruin nest relentlessly for years. It really is ridiculous how stupid Google can be.
@noplasticshower @cigitalgem @iFixit Yah. I had an early, pre-Google Nest in my house in NJ. I was very happy with it. After I moved to NYC and bought my vacation house, I picked another brand.
@iFixit "IoT" stands or "Internet of obsolete things".
@iFixit I'm still angry about Google bricking the Nest Secure. At _least_ the thermostats still function. Hardware should not rely on off-site servers to function. They shouldn't be allowed to hand out credits toward purchasing a new device to wash their hands. Shipping hardware reliant on servers the company maintains should be illegal.
@iFixit wondering if those are the ones with hidden microphones and if the mics are still working
@iFixit I replaced mine with the new Tado thermostat - works with Matter, so controllable from any of the smart home ecosystems. I have it connected to Apple Home, Google Home and SmartThings all at the same time (main use is ST but hooked to the other two for voice control via HomePods & Google speakers).

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It would be absolutely awesome if someone like say... the EU, could pass a law that required any manufacturer to provide a FULL source code (including bootloader, modem, and the likes) for ANY piece of hardware they stopped supporting.

With colossal fines for each day of breaches.

@iFixit this would explain why I have found a few of them during the Santa Clara cleanup weekends this year. What a waste.

Any options for reusing them?

@iFixit There is no need whatsoever for thermostats to be "smart".