Catbus4d ago

liberal: omg how do we defeat Trumpism

socialist: *explains how*

liberal: that's not realistic, I meant without changing anything

Show threadJaden Rubisco

@ancient_catbus OMG LITERALLY THO, it continues to boggle my mind, the sheer number of people who are so scared of the direction the world is going BUT, when presented with a valid solution, just off-handedly dismiss it as "too naïve" or "too dreamy" 

Lile, wtf? that's like someone offering you a break at work and you turning it down for no other reason than you really really like breaks. It just does not compute. 

Apr 29 at 10:38pmWeb
Show threadWildduck3d ago
@thedocruby @ancient_catbus Well, in Switzerland we refused a referendum asking for one more mandatory week of vacation per year 🤷
Show threadKelly (who Cannot, Today)3d ago
@Wildduck In the UK we managed to vote against fair voting. (Then we voted for all the other fashy shit later, but somehow that's the one that really sticks in my mind.)
Show threadHumphrey Archer3d ago

@thedocruby
Um ... but that is just human nature. Only a small % of people like change, and most are very risk averse.

@ancient_catbus

Show threadMaggie Pie3d ago
@screwturn @thedocruby @ancient_catbus exactly. This is literally the status-quo bias
Show threadHumphrey Archer3d ago

@magpieluvseeds
Indeed.
But I also get just a little tired of people yelling "why don't liberals do [totally un-liberal thing], they should do [thing that liberals are not known for], and if they don't, then they are just shit people"

Like no, My Man, value liberals for being the nice sweet and overly considerate non-confrontational creatures they are, don't try force them to be progressives, leftists, or any other group who actually do they thing you want.

@thedocruby @ancient_catbus

Show threadElch2d ago

@screwturn Citation needed, preferrably one that does not just project the current state of affairs into the past (and into the future)

@thedocruby @ancient_catbus

Show threadHumphrey Archer2d ago

@dimllychlyngarw
Citation needed to support the assertion that Openness to Experience and Change Resistance are things?

Surely not.

@thedocruby @ancient_catbus

Show threadJaden Rubisco2d ago

(1/3) @screwturn @dimllychlyngarw
*sigh...* I told myself I wouldn't engage with this...

This did not need to be an argument. First of all, in my OP I expressed a lack of understanding toward a behavior of others. @screwturn, on the assumption that you understand/empathize with that behavior: if you're trying to be constructive, then consider an honest explanation, instead of a "use common sense bro" approach. Or, better yet, notice that *im not actually asking a question* and don't engage.

Show threadJaden Rubisco2d ago
(2/3) Second, @dimllychlyngarw, I empathize with your frustration, but your "SOURCE!?!?" reaction is disappointing, and only fans the flames here. Maybe instead, consider pointing out the naturalization fallacy in @screwturn's argument: Since we don't raise people in isolation for science, there's no way to distinguish between "natural" behaviors and "socialized" behaviors. Also, since I would obviously be an exception to the rule, intuition would suggest a more "socialized" interpretation.
Show threadJaden Rubisco2d ago
(3/3) Key takeaway: social media does not have to be an argumentative place. We can coexist and learn from each other. I think we can agree that would be a good thing, yeah? But we have to put in the work, each and every one of us. I don't plan to engage further cause i have nothing more to ask or add, but do feel free to loop me in if you have a genuine question. I hope y'all can come to an understanding. Have a good day ❤️
Show threadHumphrey Archer2d ago
@thedocruby
Indeed.
And part of that work is doing what we just did.
You expressed surprise (rhetorically)
I expressed surprise at your surprise
We now maybe have a mutual understanding that many people don't share my experience that what you described is VERY common in some domains
Maybe we walk away with slightly modified understanding of the world in which we live?
Show threadHumphrey Archer2d ago

@thedocruby
I come from a "harm reduction" world and public health, so I am very familiar with the phenomenon that people will be faced with a critical risk with potentially fatal outcomes, and then avoid or actually undermine proven mitigations, but instead energetically pursue methods that will either do nothing of use, or actually make them WORSE.

So what you describe is not just unsurprising, but that as a smart and educated person you were surprised by it is a little
@dimllychlyngarw