"Your call is so important to us, we have fired all the humans and replaced them with a terrible automated system that cannot understand you.

Please hold while we pay our executives another bonus for some reason.

Did you know you can use the Internet to discover our website can't answer your question?"

All this automation and we still can't press 1 in the post-call survey to punch the CEO in the face for implementing such a terrible customer experience.
@daedalus We have deliberately short staffed our call centre.

Luckily for you, you've managed to reach us at a time when there's an unusually low volume of calls.

Turns out 9am the Monday immediately after a public holiday, when people are still away, is a great time to call.

Unfortunately, we're deliberately placing you on hold for a mandatory minimum of 15 minutes, because fuck you! We want you to piss off and sort it out on our website!

(It happens: https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/if-you-ever-got-the-feeling-a-customer-support-line-is-intentionally-keeping-you-on-hold-in-the-hope-youll-go-away-it-turns-out-the-hp-is-doing-precisely-that-with-a-minimum-15-wait/)

All our staff have KPIs around getting you off the phone in five minutes, as well as cross-selling or upselling products.

When it turns out that you've got a particularly complicated edge case, and our low-cost contractors completely screwed up your order, our staff won't be authorised to fix your complaint.

So they'll say they'll transfer you to a different department, and then place you on hold, and your call will be lost in our PABX system until it's eventually cut off.

After four calls and 17 transfers, you'll luck out and get an experienced and competent customer service rep, who takes pride in her work despite being underpaid, who will actually mostly resolve your issue.

Unfortunately for her, this will take 30 minutes, blowing out her KPIs. We'll give her some additional coaching to ensure she never makes that mistake again.

We're in a comfortable oligopoly, and all our "competitors" have exactly the same customer service practices.

Turns out it's more profitable for everyone in our industry to do this than to compete on customer service.

So even if you leave, you'll get the same shabby treatment from them.

You still haven't hung up, so here's some smooth jazz muzak that an intern found on a royalty-free CD. We've compressed the crap out of it, to the point it's now basically static. We'll play it on a loop in the hope you hang up.

Despite all of the above, we'll periodically gaslight you by playing a prerecorded message that says your call is important to us.

You know it's bullshit, we knew it was bullshit when we set it up.

Please hold the line, a customer service representative will be with you shortly.
If you ever got the feeling a customer support line is intentionally keeping you on hold in the hope you'll go away it turns out the HP is doing precisely that with a minimum 15 wait

Please go away, sorry, use our online 'support'.

PC Gamer
@aj @daedalus and you will continue to use our service and pay us because what are you going to do? Change? LOL Change is hard and we know you won't 🤣
@daedalus
"Please dial KP 31337 ST on your Blue Box to punch the CEO in the face."
@daedalus Ah! The "internet"! A "website"!
@daedalus Please fill out the survey after you complete this call by pressing 1 so we may acquire more data on you.
@daedalus
"We are currently experiencing high call volumes like we do every moment our lines are available, but we refuse to employ more staff as this would cut into the profits"

@ideogram @daedalus "Expected wait times are greater than 30 minutes. Keeping you on hold that long doesn't help our efficiency in any way, it just causes more of you to stop bothering us because you run out of time or phone battery. Our hold music also gets louder and quieter at random to be as irritating as possible if you try to leave us on speaker. Also we sometimes just ..."

*beep beep beep*.

@nickzoic @ideogram @daedalus Someone, possibly the actual USPS themselves, released their hold music to Bandcamp: https://trackingnumber.bandcamp.com/album/hold-music

The best one is #5, imo.

Hold Music, by USPS

8 track album

USPS
@nickzoic @ideogram @daedalus "Also, this call will be recorded to further improve our AI to never give a straight answer and possibly train it to use your voice to say 'yes' to questions like 'do you want to get our new premium subscription for twice the money and with half the service?'..."
@ideogram @daedalus this is especially pernicious with months-long aged care waiting lists, where the purpose is literally to have your potential clients drop dead before they can access services.
@ideogram @daedalus "Please listen to this annoying message carefully as we changed our menu at least a year ago and won't shut up about it in case you called in over a year ago, and still remember the numbering."
@asmcbain
"Thank you for calling esoteric service no one needs more than every decade..."
@daedalus
@asmcbain @ideogram @daedalus please listen to these 2 annoying minutes of explaining the options as if you had not memorized them months ago
@ehproque "Since this is voicemail, we're not going to explain any of the key commands and you'll just have to wait for your brain to remember that you once learned 7 is delete and * is hang up."
@ideogram @daedalus "we are experiencing an unusually high volume of calls, as we have for the past 5 years, hope you understand we haven't had enough time to adapt"
@daedalus this was the last straw for me and BofA
Tried to change my address in the app, and when it didn't work the app gave me a number to call. The phone bot asked me what to do, I said I tried to change my address but the app wasn't working, so it told me how to change my address in the app and then immediately hung up on me 😭

@raphaelmorgan @daedalus I see they've done great things with the system I helped engineer for them. /s

I was actually proud of what I'd built, at one point.

@hosford42 @daedalus ooh what part did you work on? I can imagine this technology being used in many less frustrating ways
Like, imagine if it took a few words to try to figure out *who to send me to* and if it can't figure out what I want it just puts me on the line with a person? That seems like it would be a great use for this phone system, and it could actually save a lot of time! But no we gotta get rid of the humans as much as possible 😩

@raphaelmorgan @daedalus The NLP tech. Intent detection, entity extraction, and even a novel anaphora resolution algorithm that is patented with me as an author. (Not that I own it. I was required to give up all rights, while still being held indefinitely responsible for helping them defend the claim.)

It used to route you to an actual person if it couldn't help. But of course, they promptly made it a goal to minimize that because it's expensive.

@hosford42 very interesting! Personally, I think you should still be very proud of it. You did great work with a noble goal in mind. It's not your fault--and it's honestly kind of inevitable for any worker--that they took the product of your labor and turned it into something terrible. Capitalists have a tendency to do that. Everything they touch turns to shit
@raphaelmorgan I reserve the right to be sulky about it. ;)
@hosford42 of course! I think my point was more that you can still be proud of your work while sulking that they use it wrong 🤷
@raphaelmorgan I get it. I'm just being sulky. :)

@hosford42 @raphaelmorgan @daedalus oooo, someone who worked on these things?! I have to ask you about my cargo cult.

I tend to deal with these systems by cutting off the prompts and swearing at them very loudly. this often seems to get me routed to an agent. are they designed to detect this sort of behaviour and give up? or am I just imagining it?

@adamw @raphaelmorgan @daedalus I didn't work on this, specifically, but a lot of these systems actually have emotion detection built in, to recognize when someone is getting infuriated and redirect them before it's too late. Sometimes, when I can't figure out how to get to a person and I really need to, I will get sweary on purpose to trigger this. They are inadvertently training us to be assholes. :/
@adamw @raphaelmorgan @daedalus Also, I'm sure the person taking the call *loves* getting angry people dumped on them over and over.

@hosford42 @adamw @raphaelmorgan @daedalus
Any time that I spoke to any of my friends who had helldesk jobs (whenever they felt like talking about their shitty job, that is), they all said that profanity from the caller was grounds for an immediate hang-up. No arguing over KPI's or other performance issues. Just drop the call.

Oh, and all calls get recorded. Usually in stereo, so you can easily tell who said what. And when you're on hold, your side still gets recorded.

@dec23k @hosford42 @raphaelmorgan @daedalus to be clear, I'm saying to swear at the *automated system* in order to *reach* a human. Not to swear at the human. I don't care in the slightest if anyone records me swearing at a voice prompt.
@adamw @dec23k @raphaelmorgan @daedalus That's what I was saying, too. I always try to treat real human beings like...human beings.
@adamw @dec23k @raphaelmorgan @daedalus Which can be hard, when the system is designed to dehumanize the callers and the call handlers. Corporations are the problem
@hosford42 @adamw @raphaelmorgan @daedalus
I was replying specifically to the bit about:
"the person taking the call getting angry people dumped on them"
@hosford42 @raphaelmorgan @daedalus oh wow, so it actually works. :D thanks! and yeah, I know what you mean about handling the redirected calls of people who are *genuinely* angry. I once worked a call centre job which was *supposed* to be just support for install techs but somehow after a few weeks all the calls from customers mad about overage charges started getting directed to us too. that was such fun :/
@adamw @raphaelmorgan @daedalus I worked as a dev for a debt collection call center years ago. I've seen first hand the misery it causes, not just to the "customers" but to the folks forced to call them. Countless people tormented on both ends, all so some corporation can make a few bucks.
@raphaelmorgan I am tempted to bill companies for my time testing and diagnosing their systems since they obviously can't be bothered hiring anyone to do it before inflicting them on us.

@daedalus "Please sign up and register your product to your profile so you can access warranty service"

::signs up, registers product, opts-out of marketing... website still doesn't let you initiate warranty service, but plenty of companies start SPAMming.::

@daedalus we are experiencing a high call volume. Your call is next in line. Average wait time is 45 minutes.
@daedalus We have recently changed our menus because fuck you.
@daedalus if only it wasn’t all about profit, many systems would not be so over-engineered to even need customer service… So many programming problems are so simple, until you bring in profit-driven constraints.
@daedalus Ha, perfect! Oh, and so depressing 😖
@daedalus this is exactly on point
@daedalus
I wish I had two more arms so I could give this toot four thumbs up.

@TrickTim @daedalus you can borrow two of mine*

*minimum of 10 minutes, periods thereafter measured in 5 minute increments. Each increment costs One (1) KitKat

@daedalus
"I'm sorry, I didn't understand your response. I'll repeat the questions in an endless loop until you give up"
@daedalus That always shits me. They don't seem to get that the reason I've had to resort to the phone is that their website or "AI" chatbot is stupid AF.
I had to ring #Boost yesterday to get help with the usual kind of errors related to getting a SIM activated for my mum. I shit you not, the option the automaton says to select for activation issues just says to visit the website, then hangs up. Livid I was.
@daedalus "We are experiencing higher than normal call volumes due to dollarsign recent underscore incident. Here at dollarsign company underscore name we value your customer loyalty."
@daedalus [in physical branch office] have you tried using the website? We secretly put it in a hidden maintenance mode which makes stuff not work but never tells you that it’s currently in maintenance mode! also it not working would be your fault, obviously
@daedalus oh! I know the answer to this: in many orgs, the contact centre budget and the website budget and sometimes the “content” budget all come under different Heads Of. So it might be at CEO level before that all joins up.
@daedalus i work at a customer support centre (as a side job)...a lot of it is horrid work, people are the worst when they call.
@daedalus
I answer bots with: "fuck off! funking stupid ai".
Most of the time I am redirected to a human being, who are often unfortunately too stupid to poop. 🙄

@daedalus The one that chaps me is Comcrap. "You can open a support ticket on our website…"

*NO I CAN'T, BECAUSE YOUR SERVICE IS DOWN! I'M LUCKY I CAN PLACE A PHONE CALL." (Crap cell phone reception at my house, no usable data, can only reliably place calls from one room.)

@daedalus Due to extraordinary high demand (that has been happening for over six months) we have longer than expected waiting time. Your call is important to us so we will gladly sacrifice the mental well-being of our two phone operators to answer it, rather than hire two more to meet demand.

@daedalus My friend called a CS line recently and the rep was really helpful. At the end, they agreed to do the survey. It was one question about how satisfied they were. They tried to enter “10” because they were happy. The system isn’t set up to take 2 digit responses, though, so it recorded “1” and asked for further detail about they why were unhappy.

My friend bothered to follow up and correct it but many folks won’t. It struck me as bad design and stacked against workers.

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amused, after a customer-service phone call with @Lowes, the "how did we do" survey asked me to rank things on a scale of 0–10, using voice or…my touch-tone keypad. Still trying to figure out how to follow the instructions and press "10" on a keypad…🤦

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