I’m going to say this slowly.
If Andrew Tate & his ilk were right about ANYTHING they’d have no audience.
Guys would listen briefly, apply advice, & be WAY too busy with their new gfs, side-pieces, & high income hustles to bother tuning in.
It’s the Tinder principle: if you’re happy, they lose a customer.
Their business model is your unending misery.
@janxdevil @Catvalente I was mentioning that same book just a few days ago, and the timescale fits in exactly.
In 1991 young people in UK were distracted by the rave scene so didn't see the culture war happening as much (and young men weren't as bothered by it as they still considered themselves on top, as they were able to even temporarily overwhelm law enforcement and criminal justice system with the partydrugs culture which was *massive* until comparatively recently...)
That's a wonderful way of expressing it. It has the same level of self loathing and self destruction, under the same veneer of self love and self betterment.
He brags about how it's basically a pyramid scheme for men with self esteem issues. He's there at the top with his own issues stemming from his narcissistic father and how he'd treated his mother. Have you seen the channel 4 documentary? It's sad that so many men find him relatable, and boys are growing up thinking that he's someone to look up to. He needs to be publicly punished and ridiculed.
@FishNamedDog @Catvalente
Don't put down plumbers!
They provide a straight forward, valuable service with tasks that many people don't want to do for themselves ( especially on trouble calls).
The plumbers I've met don't want repeat business on a trouble call. They do want referrals from satisfied customers and they want to be called for the next renovation or up grade.
Of course, there are scummy companies out there ( in any trade), but those tend to look for a new sucker every time.
A lot of industries are built around human failure and false narratives of "you can solve this by yourself."
The weight loss & finance industry are ones. The dating app industry is yet another example.
It takes in-person contact to build a community of support for relationships, partnerships, child rearing, aging-in-place, & neighborhoods.
Trump's GOP attacks the necessary foundations for any of this.
Car culture. Pollution. Housing affordability. Wages. Student loans.
1/2
2/2
Bigotry. DEI. ESG. Child marriage. Public health & education. Employment precarity. Unions. Mental health funding. Gun safety.
Name a topic that promotes a healthy, united, & strong nation & Republican billionaires are in the middle making it worse
"Group problems need group solutions" & billionaires spend a lot of money on stopping groups from coalescing
There's a reason why people like Andrew Tate are parachuted into public discourse; greed
Funding ensures dopes stay in the public eye
well said.
Moreover the 'good things' the Tates say are part of the overall scheme. That's how radicalisation works. It starts with positive, normal conversations that look helpful and supportive. Then the poison starts, little by little, until it's not possible to distinguish between the two anymore.
It's an abusive pattern of behaviour after all.
Considering my job is in the field of gender-based violence prevention, I am pretty confident I know what I am talking about.
Maybe consider not being so quick at judging someone you know nothing about
Well, it's not a movement, it's a government paid role where we have strict compliance and reporting duties.
Anyways, I believe these are important conversations that go beyond a single social media post. If we were pushing men away we would have been out of a job long ago. What I want to stress is that the Tate brothers are no positive role models, and I find painting them as such is insulting to a lot of good men out there who deserve that title way way more.
Well, if the Tates (credibly accused of rape, sexual exploitation and human trafficking) are your kind, that's your choice. If you think they are better than those men working for gender and social justice (because feminism doesn't equal 'liberal women', right?), it's your choice.
I prefer male role models who are passionately pursuing a better world for everyone, it's more my thing. By the way, it's a great pleasure working with them full time; I recommend it.
Have you seen the accusations against them? Would you care to explain to me how bragging about raping and sexually exploiting women is not anti-women? Because I really can't get it. What are the 'benefits' of being raped, exactly?
Also, there are video clips of him candidly admitting his scheme is using women to prey on vulnerable men and take their money and he doesn't care, because those men are losers anyway. He's anti-men too, just cares about himself.
I'll leave this link here as an example; in case you want to take some time to explain how this behaviour is not anti-women please feel free. I will be all ears.
Assuming the Tates are the poster boys of masculinity is setting the bar very low. It reduces everything to look, arrogance and money. I can think of so so many better examples to look at.
@Catvalente it is an interesting point. But it goes beyond just simply being a feedback loop. As if the base of supporters are dupes who are being given a deceptive product.
It's also someone just saying what you really feel. It's not about being right, just that it explains something. Women are objects to be obtained. You sexual worth is tied to your wealth or fitness. Women need to be young and beautiful. Andrew Tate is symptom of a common idea among people.
"The paradise of the rich is made out of the hell of the poor."
— Victor Hugo
Catherynne M. Valente
Orion (he/him)
The Janx Devil
Alex@rtnVFRmedia Suffolk UK
derek
Kevin Karhan 
SunnJax 🌞🏳️🌈 
The Drop Bear 2.0
Gene Cowan
A. P. Howell
Passenger
2xfo
Queen of Teacups
GutterPoetry
canleaf08 ⌘ ✅
PedestrianError 
a fish named dog 🎗️
stu miller 🇨🇦
cwicseolfor
Rad und Tat
Ivan
Ciarán McNally
Nicole Parsons
Humphrey Archer
dereisenhofer
Mutant From Hoosier
Nini
🇺🇸 🇺🇦 🇮🇱 🐧 🥦
dave
Victor Zambrano