Them: "UBlock Origin: this extension was turned off. Chromium recommends that you remove it."

Me: OK, I guess I trust google to give me good advice:

$ sudo apt remove chromium

@bremner very apt use of apt to remove an APT 😉

@bremner

Looks like a choice based on digital competence.

@bremner what do you install instead?

@sdueckert @bremner Hopefully sudo apt install firefox

And Then using arkenfox to harden the settings more privacy friendly 😁

@joshuabeny1999 @sdueckert @bremner
LibreWolf is better and easier to set up. :)
@nachthemd @sdueckert @bremner Forks have mostly the issue that they get security updates delayed and according some online reviews it is lacking automatic updates which is important for a browser to get latest security fixes.
@joshuabeny1999 @sdueckert @bremner
Automatic updates on Linux work fine. For Windows theres a little helper application also working flawlessly.
@nachthemd I tried LibreWolf on Windows, but it breaks several websites. Some I get to work after searching for hours, but some still not work (Netflix, Dipul map tool,...). With plain Firefox no problem at all... @joshuabeny1999 @sdueckert @bremner
@silbaer
Meist sind es nur zwei Häkchen in den LibreWolf-Einstellungen, die den Unterschied machen: WebGL aktivieren und ResistFingerprinting deaktivieren....
@nachthemd In diesem Fall leider nicht

@silbaer @nachthemd (My German is horrid, so please excuse me for switching back to English :D )

You can also just add the site you're seeing problems with to the Advanced Tracking exception list, which, for me at least, has allowed me to access the sites I was having problems with.

This process overall is a bit more work to get everything working in LibreWolf, but I personally find it the safer option to have so much privacy protection enabled at the start.

@kamatahvel I am not so privacy focused. I was looking for a Browser not based on Chrome. If there would more privacy I would take it. But the trade off was to high at the end. I found a hand full of pages I use regulary that does not work at all. I swiched to Firefox and I am fine with it. @nachthemd
@bremner Firefox and Librewolf are your friends.
@bremner and you just reminded me
pkg delete chromium

@bremner

> sudo apt remove chromium

In this case I'd recommend "apt purge" from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

@bremner

And then what?

Firefox is essentially owned and paid for by Google. They already have their own manifest 3 in the works. They will ultimately do whatever Google wants.

Most of the forks are poorly supported. Remember that the Pale Moon archive was actually infected with a trojan? That sort of thing doesn't happen at big companies that have someone in charge of verifying security.

@number6 @bremner given he's on Linux, you've got Gnome Web (formerly epiphany) or Konquerer to work with if you don't like Firefox.

@number6 @bremner Firefox will support manifest 3, but has no plans to abandon manifest 2.

Mozilla is desperately trying to get other sources of income than Google paying to be the default search engine. This is why Mozilla VPN and Firefox Relay exist. Buying them supports Firefox development.

@number6 @bremner What do you think about Zen browser (FF fork)?

@number6 @bremner you can effectively disable Mozilla issues with about:config and/or arkenfox or a fork like librewolf if you trust that they can keep up with security updates fast enough.

and while I personally don't like the company ethics, if you need chromium you can always use brave

@bremner Why do you hit the messenger instead of the ones responsible for this mess?
@waldi uh. No idea who is who in your narrative.
@bremner Chromium ist the messenger that the UBlock people refused to update their extension even after this step was announces several years in advance. The UBlock people decided to rename and sending this message to everyone instead of simple upgrading the extension.
@waldi OK, I didn't know the background. As a user that doesn't change my decision.
@bremner @waldi
Whatever the background is, the standoff makes us make a choice. Then I choose ublock over chromium. Nothing personal.
@waldi @bremner Yes, they refuse to do so, because the main functionality *cannot* work in manifest v3.
@mrotteveel @bremner Which is obviously wrong, as they would not have been able to do that step. But as a variant with "lite" in the name exists, their core functionality works just fine.

@waldi @bremner UBlock didn’t rename their extension, they made a lite version of the extension that can work with manifest V3, but it’s a lot less powerful than the original one, due to limitations imposed in V3, by Google.

Google is both messenger and the origin of the message.

@jornane @bremner So they could have upgraded the old extension, told the user and be done? Wow.
@waldi @bremner It would have been a downgrade.
@jornane @bremner So a downgrade to 0 is preferred over a downgrade to .99?

@waldi @bremner Preferred is to keep the functionality as-is.

Maybe Google should automatically upgrade Chrome to Firefox, which does fully support adblocking extensions without watering them down?

@bremner There is uBlock Origin Lite that works with Manifest v3.

@desikn @bremner I had to use Chrome for something recently instead of my usual Firefox, and from that experience I can say that uBlock Origin Lite is better than nothing, but noticeably less effective at blocking ads than the Manifest v2 version of uBlock Origin.

Personally, full uBlock Origin (on both desktop and mobile!) is enough of a killer app that I can't see myself switching away from Firefox for the foreseeable future

@desikn @bremner uBO Lite is missing a bunch of features that MV3 does not allow:

Filter lists update only when the extension updates (no fetching up to date lists from servers)

Many filters are dropped at conversion time due to MV3's limited filter syntax

No crafting your own filters (thus no element picker)

No strict-blocked pages

No per-site switches

No dynamic filtering

No importing external lists

@bremner The day I cannot use ublock origin on chrome anymore is the day I switch to firefox and never look back
@bremner so, what was your reason for using it up until now?
@bws Why do you ask? Are we having some kind of contest about Free Software street cred?
@bremner nah sorry, just wanted to know why it was for you ok to use it, with all what it comes with, and now its too much. Would be interested what prevented using alternatives before as i personally(!) did not see any for me, abd was curious.
@bws It used to be case that some crap I had to use for work (e.g. Teams) worked better on Chromium than on Firefox. These days that seems to be more rare. Of course Firefox (and Mozilla) are far from perfect, but here we are.
@bremner ok thanks! yes, sadly the webrtc implementation of firefox took quite some time to be up to speed.
@bws @bremner Slack video calls didn't work on Firefox, so I had to use Chromium too. I did some research and apparently there were two APIs for webrtc: Chrome's and W3C standard. Chromium implemented both. Slack refused to use the W3C standard API. Firefox refused to implement the Chrome API. Stalemate.
Weirdly, you can just turn it on again (so far, anyway)!

@bremner

uBlock Origin lite continues to work with Chromium however full fat uBlock works well with Firefox and derivative browsers 🙂🖖

@bremner holy shit even on chromium

@sashin @bremner I was able to turn it back on. You still can.

I for one will use whatever provides good ad blocking. Old Chrome versions, Firefox, Kiwi Browser. If intrusive ads appear I close the page. I wrote my own ad blocker in 1999. Not going back now.

@bremner Not enough!
sudo apt purge chromium

@bremner I just did that, and i got this:

Package 'chromium' is not installed, so not removed

@bremner sudo apt purge --autoremove chromium*
@bremner On my laptop I have good and bad news.

The bad news: I can't uninstall Chrome.

The good news: It wasn't installed in the first place