Re Microsoft win 10 machines.
Don't believe Microsoft
"because they can’t be upgraded to a supported OS there will not be the normal secondary market for those buying new hardware. This means there’s no boon for charities or other good causes, and instead this is a recycling or landfill choice.
This is criminal.
Recycle to Linux.
I believe win10 will work for a long time yet, I suspect that 365 will die on win 10, "for reasons"
So migrate to libre office on win 10 ASAP.
Yeah, my upgrade from Win2k was precipitated purely by a game that used a part of the CryptoAPI that they didn't backport to 2k for it's DRM.
@jernej__s @Rairii @Extelec their system requirements only state "64GB or larger storage device" and gives no further qualifiers
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-specifications
@denisbloodnok @jernej__s @Extelec Rufus works fine, I have used it to upgrade a few TPM-less machines.
There's no guarantee though that Microsoft won't push an update in the future that will destroy your OS anyway, so if you can, go for Linux instead.
@bgergely0
Between 'use your unsupported OS' or 'buy a new computer and dump your old, perfectly working one on the pile of e-waste' I know what I'd choose.
By the way, when was the last time you got any kind of useful support out of Microsoft?
@Extelec
@reinouts @bgergely0 Currently waiting for a fix 6 days and counting, for them to get back to me.
Second time Ive used their support this year. Gave up last time.
Before then, more than 5 years. I avoid their support because its is SO poor.
It REALLY annoys me they use the forums as first line support, I don't pay them, they do it for free, Microsoft call it support. So totally wrong..
@bgergely0 @Extelec which is why the only 2 real options are:
- Keep win10, and eventually switch to linux as win10 becomes unusable (unsupported by any devs like win7 is now)
- Switch to linux ASAP, to avoid future microsoft bullshit
@Extelec I’d say migrate off win10 entirely as bound to be exploits targeting it.
I wonder if something like https://getaurora.dev/en with auto update staging turned on would be suitable.
Reason for picking KDE over gnome is it’s closer to the windows look and feel
to get off micr$oft claws
first backup sensitive data :
use rsync onto an external drive at least, or your prefered ways as long as it's not propriatery
then install LiGNUx, optionally removing original windobz in the process
beginers : choose Linux Mint or UBUNTU ; otherwise DEBIAN or your pick
if M$ unavoidable, use a virtualized unconnected windo$ untill full independance
PS : what people commonly call Linux should be called GNU-Linux , so I call it LiGNUx since I've read it somewhere
@ghyom man... another GNU[/+x\s]Linux dropped.
But seriously, by that logic, do I really need to call one of the exerimental systems i built "openRC+LiMu(sl)x+uutils" just because i swapped out gnu tooling?
This is my biggest reason for why Linux is just Linux, even though it's just the kernel
@martinschlegel @Extelec
A 1999 ThinkPad. Is that the one with the butterfly keyboard?
Edit: the butterfly keyboard ThinkPad (701) is from 1993, and it has an i486 processor.
@martinschlegel @Extelec
Oh wow! Someone worked out how to fit a @frameworkcomputer mainboard into an otherwise dead IBM Butterfly Thinkpad.
https://www.theregister.com/2023/03/01/ibm_butterfly_repair_upgrade/
@martinschlegel @Extelec Pretty much any version of #NetBSD should run on a #ThinkPad T23 out of the box, and #pkgsrc will include the ~latest #firefox. I tested it on a ThinkPad T41, which is only two years more recent than the T23 - https://youtu.be/jYS4TcgxMxU
Now, whether you can do anything *useful* in modern Firefox on a 1GB 32 bit machine... not so much
#PaleMoon or #ArcticFox are pretty capable browsers which run well on smaller machines - and #Dillo will *scream* on that spec hardware 😛
Yeah, but hardware from that age was probably not supported by Windows 10 either?
Family members of mine use second hand business laptops with Linux (Thinkpad T460 and T470), which are now 8 or 9 years old. These you still can use, might upgrade them with more RAM and an SSD, and have a rather usable piece of hardware for normal use.
Can't imagine why anyone would buy leased software requiring external control by the leasing company. Definitely switch to any system you can own and control.
Try this before getting a new PC. 30 years ago, there was a big switch from Microsoft DOS to Windows. Windows was unreliable (I'm talking Win95) so I tried Linux on my brand new Win 95 machine, while keeping DOS on a separate harddrive. I had struggles initially, but have used various Linux distros as my main operating system ever since. Nowadays I still always have Windows on a separate drive that I attach using a 5 1/4 inch trayless mobile rack that costs $25 Canadian on Amazon.
@Extelec Maybe your post should have led with "upgrade your Windows 10 computer to Linux".
But...
People moving from Windows need to learn enough to support their new OS. At a bare minimum people need to understand how to apply security updates. Remember though, there is a large number of Windows 10 machines that haven't been updated because they are running some custom business software that no one knows how to replace or port. Linux doesn't help with that problem.
Upgrading Office and Windows was just the path of least resistance. On the other hand, if you paid your nephew to write some custom FoxPro app for your business back in 2009 and well "Hey I paid for this software and I should be able to use it until I die. I don't have to pay for my deck to be upgraded unless I want to..."
Of course, MS doesn't care about these sorts of users because there is no money in it.
Just the opposite to the quote - With the current tariff shenanigans, suddenly that secondary market for used computers will be significantly more attractive, at least in the US. Dropping working hardware in recycling is a waste - reuse beats recycle.
Windows goes out of support, Linux steps in.
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