Extreme ElectronicsApr 6, 2025

Re Microsoft win 10 machines.

Don't believe Microsoft

"because they can’t be upgraded to a supported OS there will not be the normal secondary market for those buying new hardware. This means there’s no boon for charities or other good causes, and instead this is a recycling or landfill choice.

This is criminal.

Recycle to Linux.

Show threadExtreme ElectronicsApr 6, 2025

I believe win10 will work for a long time yet, I suspect that 365 will die on win 10, "for reasons"

So migrate to libre office on win 10 ASAP.

Show threadJernej Simončič �Apr 6, 2025
@Extelec I'm not even sure why Microsoft is insisting on TPM, secure boot and 8th gen Intel/2nd gen Ryzen CPUs – 11 24H2 runs just fine on basically any machine made in the last 15 years (the only real requirement is POPCNT support by CPU, something that's been available since 2009, and which Windows 10 did not need).
Show threadRairii   
@jernej__s @Extelec the hardware requirements were, i think, to ensure that securekernel/VTL1 stuff worked without any slowdowns (due to a cpu feature added at that point), and to ensure that DRTM would work (for protecting sealed VTL1 keys against boot attacks)

basically, it was done for corporate security reasons, and to ensure that anyone working from home would have hardware with the same security standards; TPM boot measurements, certain data crypted by keys that only VTL1 has, automatic bitlocker on boot drive etc
Apr 6, 2025 at 1:12pmWeb
Show threadtrainguyromApr 6, 2025
@Rairii @jernej__s @Extelec if they cared about performance they would require Windows 11 booting from an SSD as veraciously as they require the rest of their hardware requirements, yet I've seen machines auto-upgraded to 11 with C: on a spinning hard drive. Those machines take literally multiple minutes to boot
Show threadJernej Simončič �Apr 6, 2025
@trainguyrom @Rairii @Extelec IIRC, SSD is one of the (stated) Windows 11 requirements; however I've seen Windows misidentify SSDs as HDDs very often and rarely HDDs as SSDs, so I wouldn't be surprised if they ignore this result.
Show threadtrainguyromApr 6, 2025

@jernej__s @Rairii @Extelec their system requirements only state "64GB or larger storage device" and gives no further qualifiers

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-specifications

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