It's been eight years to the day since Lance Ulanoff, the storied Tech and Social Media Expert and an award-winning tech journalist, decided that Mastodon won't survive because William Shatner couldn't find him on here.

Eight years on, Mastodon stubbornly survives:
https://rys.io/en/177.html

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Eight years on, Mastodon stubbornly survives

Eight years ago Lance Ulanoff had a problem. William Shatner could not find him on Mastodon. His distress is understandable, relatable even. Who wouldn’t want to be found by Captain Kirk himself! The

Songs on the Security of Networks

As it happens, one of the oldest Mastodon instances – octodon dot social – is going to close down very soon.

This is a sad milestone, but it also shows the resilience of the broader network – people migrated, and relations remain.

That tiny volunteer-run instance survived longer than Google+ – a gigantic behemoth of a social network, backed by one of the largest tech companies in the world, and pushed down on everyone and their dog through mandatory integration with YouTube.

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@rysiek when Google+ fizzled out, @dredmorbius, me and a bunch of others set out to figure out where to move. There was a wiki, and the spreadsheet can still be accessed here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14KPoeMOVo4Sr4y43kj01tdm4xi2wsuIh_HZxsfi92vA/edit?usp=sharing

Turns out that most of the central-instance-options are gone or totally enshittified, whereas as the fediverse options are still there and thriving and actually got at least a bit better on the parts that were marked as lacking in the spreadsheet.

Social Network Comparison Table

Google Docs

@jollyorc @rysiek @dredmorbius

Damn, that's super cool to see (Diaspora* 😢 ). I'd love to see a "still active in 2025" column tacked on the end ;)

That Serendipity column is interesting. What were your metrics? Mastodon is market as yes, but in my experience, other than boosting, the serendipity is fairly low (the "who to follow" thing is next to useless, the explore feed is just popular accounts).

@naught101 @rysiek @dredmorbius The serendipity column means "does the network allow me to find other people and topics through interactions, even though they aren't in my immediate network." And for that, Mastodon works surprisingly well I find: Boosting and commenting to boosted posts get me into contact with topics and people that I probably wouldn't get exposed to through algorithmic recommendations or similar.

@jollyorc @rysiek @dredmorbius

True, true. I guess that's just a kind of diffuse, distributed recommender engine.

Somehow mastodon feels like it doesn't have subcultures in the way that twitter does. I wonder if part of Twitter's algorithm encouraged that?

Then again, I guess bubbles are the pathological form of subcultures..

Mastodon very much does have subcultures but in a different way than Twitter, and yes the absence of a single algorithmic feed has a lot to do with it. Here, Instances pay a bigger role here (especially with local-only posts) although it primarily relies on loose groupings of people many of whom follow each other.

@naught101 @jollyorc @rysiek @dredmorbius

@jdp23 @jollyorc @rysiek @dredmorbius

I would say that mastodon DOES have a single algorithmic feed - the explore feed. Of course it's calculated per instance, instead of Twitter's per user feed (and the algorithm is far simpler and more transparent than Twitter's), but that's part of what makes things feel more homogenous..