Michael Lucas 
using #firefox or a derivative? Setting browser.ml.chat.enabled=false turns off the brand-new AI features.
You're welcome.
(RIP my mentions, muting this)
naught101
Laurens 🐐@naught101 @mwl It's already set to 'false' in LibreWolf by default. I just checked.
edit: I still use FF so I did edit the setting there (I have LW installed as a fallback). Users should be able to easily toggle the setting, though and it should not be turned on by default.
FoolishOwl@ElBeeToots @naught101 @mwl Also in Waterfox.
Though it's probably a good idea to check anyway.
mcSlibinas
Jargoggles@ElBeeToots @naught101 @mwl
Yeah, I was just about to say that I fixed this issue (and a lot of the other Mozilla bullshit) by switching to LibreWolf. Highly recommend.
Yeah, I was just about to say that I fixed this issue (and a lot of the other Mozilla bullshit) by switching to LibreWolf. Highly recommend.
Damon L. Wakes@jargoggles @ElBeeToots @naught101 @mwl Same. It's sad to see Firefox itself becoming one of those "Glad I don't have to deal with that nonsense anymore" things.
@DamonWakes @ElBeeToots @naught101 @mwl
It feels like the corporations that fund these kinds of projects are all calling in their chits and pushing hostile changes and features.
It feels like the corporations that fund these kinds of projects are all calling in their chits and pushing hostile changes and features.
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Janeishly@dragonsidedd @ElBeeToots @naught101 @mwl How are you getting LibreWolf to play with extensions? I was using it fine until a couple of weeks back and then it just went "Nope, none of your Firefox extensions are accepted any more" and there is NO WAY I'm using a browser that won't accept adblock. So I'm back on Firefox, but I'd rather not be.
@Janeishly @ElBeeToots @naught101 @mwl LW has uBlock origin built in. Have not had an extension issue
@dragonsidedd @ElBeeToots @naught101 @mwl This is the problem - it doesn't seem to have happened to anyone else, so I have no idea what's going on! I'll fire it up again tomorrow and see if it's still happening.
@Janeishly I've checked my extensions in LW and all the ones I use in FF are working in LW as well.
I have set everything exactly the same in both browsers so I can easily switch over if needed. I use my Firefox Account to sync between them and that works as it should, in both Linux Mint and Windows.
What OS are you using and which version of LW is installed?
@ElBeeToots @dragonsidedd @naught101 Windows 11 (Home, if that matters) and LibreWolf 127.0.2-2.
It's a very odd thing - I'd used LW before in the past and it had been fine but had given me other problems (can't now remember what). This time around it behaved beautifully for about three weeks then started doing this nonsense. Maybe I just need to reinstall it?
@Janeishly You could try updating LW, because that is an old version. Perhaps that prevents your add-ons from working. Updates also contain bug fixes and the like.
I'm running LW 136.0.4-1 myself on Win10. FF has just updated to 137, so LW's update to 137 will be released soon as well.
Keep in mind that you will have to update LW manually through the LibreWolf WinUpdater shortcut. Automatic updates or updating through 'Help --> About LibreWolf' do not work.
@ElBeeToots Well that's weird, how have I got such an old version? Anyway, I've reinstalled and have added WinUpdater this time. And so far it seems to work. Now I just need to sort out syncing and I shall be golden! Thanks very much!
@Janeishly You're welcome! 🙂
OK, not adblock, but several other extensions that are a) perfectly normal and b) I really need for my browser to function. This is what it's giving me:
Emmy, Calamity from the Skies@Janeishly @dragonsidedd did you ever find a solution? My best guess is this has something to do with certificates. It would be kind of funny if chat gpt or some other LLM could help solve it. 😅
@sillyCoelophysis @dragonsidedd Yes, it turned out that I was somehow running an old version of LibreWolf, and updating it made it all work again!
Leeloo@ElBeeToots @naught101 @mwl
Why would Librewolf have such a setting in the first place? Wasn't it supposed to have the crappy parts removed?
Why would Librewolf have such a setting in the first place? Wasn't it supposed to have the crappy parts removed?
@leeloo @naught101 @mwl I don't know, but apparently other FF-based browsers contain the 'false' ml.chat rule in about:config as well (see other responses to my previous comment).
Perhaps removing the feature fully is not possible without an extensive rewrite of the underlying code. That takes time and effort and most FF derivatives do not have large development teams to do that.
Users can re-enable the AI features as well, if they want to. That's a choice someone should be able to make.
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Krishean Draconis@adipoeserPursch @TuutW @naught101 @mwl there is a way to get to about:config on android, and you can check if the setting is there: https://tech.lgbt/@krishean/113465948536857992
Krishean Draconis (@krishean@tech.lgbt)
if you use firefox on android this link: `chrome://geckoview/content/config.xhtml` is the equivalent of `about:config` you may have to manually type the `chrome://` part in, because mozilla seems dead set against letting you use about:config on mobile unless you jump through a bunch of unnecessary hoops #firefox
David S@TuutW @adipoeserPursch @naught101 @mwl Neither is the llm stuff either, AFAICT. So hopefully it's a non-issue.
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Mitch Rose@naught101 @mwl
in the address bar type:
"about:config" then press enter.
You will see an "accept the risks" warning. Continue.
in the search bar, type:
"browser.ml.chat.enabled"
All the way to the right, you'll see two buttons, click the left one to toggle the true to false if it is not false already.
in the address bar type:
"about:config" then press enter.
You will see an "accept the risks" warning. Continue.
in the search bar, type:
"browser.ml.chat.enabled"
All the way to the right, you'll see two buttons, click the left one to toggle the true to false if it is not false already.
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Ozzie D, NP-hard 
@naught101 @mwl Does this do anything besides disable visibility of the sidebar "AI chatbot" tool checkbox (which I'd unchecked the moment I saw it)? What other ML/genAI features exist in Firefox?
@ozdreaming @naught101 @mwl There's the genuinely useful offline/local translation feature. Not llm though (thankfully).
jandi@elphez @ozdreaming @naught101 @mwl For reference, translation uses Neural Machine Translation (NMT), here's a great overview: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2022/06/training-efficient-neural-network-models-for-firefox-translations/
Western Infidels@naught101 @mwl There is a checkbox in the "Customize Sidebar" pane that removes the "AI chatbot" button from the sidebar.
The browser.ml.chat.enabled flag does more, I guess. When it's "false," the UI for disabling the chatbot also goes away.
Ed Wiebe@naught101 @mwl There is a UI https://www.askvg.com/how-to-disable-and-remove-all-ai-features-in-mozilla-firefox/ It seems to work as shown.
@naught101 @mwl Actually, if browser.ml.chat.enable=false is set that UI option disappears.
Turning that option off in the UI doesn't seem to set browser.ml.chat.enabled=false. I don't know what to make of that.
Francesco Lodolo@naught101 @mwl There is, it's right there in the sidebar settings. And, as far as I can tell, there is nothing in menus unless you explicitly open it, and pick one of the providers.
I have no idea why people keep sending folks to about:config for settings that are available in the UI. Maybe to make a point, like "check how hostile they are with users who don't care about feature X" 🤷
Lucy Weir@mwl and you can do something similar for Google? Because it’s incredibly irritating to keep getting incorrect or irrelevant results!
pcyx@lucyweirphd You can add &udm=14 to your google search URL (or use https://udm14.com/)
Rob van Kan@pcyx @lucyweirphd to stop the ai nonsense it's enough to add -ai to your query
@edgeofeurope @pcyx thank you! That's simple enough even for me.
@lucyweirphd Only the google developers know there answer to that! It is the code to set the search to web-only results, rather than the default which is a blend of AI, suggestions, shopping, images, videos, etc.
If you do a Google search and then click the "Web" filter at the top, you'll see it's adding udm=14 to the URL. (And if you do an image search it uses udm=2, and so on, different codes for the other filters)
DB SchweinOr swear. At least currently if there's a swear word in your search (it doesn't need to make sense) no AI pops up.
@deirdrebeth how very prudish this California boys were …
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@lucyweirphd @mwl https://tenbluelinks.org/ will help you change your browser search engine to a Google URL that defaults to the "Web" tab, which doesn't include AI results.
But the Web tab doesn't do things like automatically turn UPS/USPS/FedEx tracking numbers into links, or convert temperatures, etc, so it's great, but do be aware some convenience functions no longer works.
Wonder if there's a uBlock Origin rule...
@poundquerydotinfo thanks. I understood about half.
Dave@lucyweirphd @mwl
The magic of removing AI results consists of adding "&udm=14" to the google search query address. Explanation here: https://tedium.co/2024/05/17/google-web-search-make-default/
There is https://udm14.org/, serving as a startpage that adds that parameter.
Same effect is achievable via browser extension: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/udm14/
Julien W.@lucyweirphd yeah, you can switch to another search engine
wildlyfist@mwl Been on Librewolf for a long time and it's already turned off by default. Among other niceties like blocking YT ads.