My old GE dishwasher broke (completely dead, tried many ways to reset, was dying for months though...).
Bought a new Bosch 500 (highest not-zillion-dollar model I could get over weekend).
Installed, went to mess with some settings, then saw:
"this setting requires the HomeConnect app"
Oh. Okay, so like Bluetooth or NFC or something?
Nope. They want me to connect my _dishwasher_ to WiFi to configure a number of settings on it! Ugh. No way, no how.
@geerlingguy I kind of get that this is how they can add extra features that aren't on the front panel (maybe they save money with a standardized panel across their products?). I even kind of get having this on wifi so you can get an alert while you're out that the dishes are done, or whatever.
But these features seem like pretty standard ones you'd want to on the panel on any model.
@Norodix @geerlingguy It probably wouldn't even be when I'm out; I just like getting notifications that processes are complete rather than setting timers on my phone. Nothing sucks more than forgetting to set a timer and taking wrinkled clothes out of the dryer.
I know that leaving a dishwasher doesn't result in wrinkled dishes, I'm just saying my ADHD brain likes notifications over timers.
@geerlingguy they’re probably using MQTT with a centralized broker, which is why you need an app (no PWA), and an internet connection. They haven’t bothered to implement a local API.
This is just lazy programming. Even a low powered ESP32 is powerful enough to have both local webserver for local APIs, and MQTT client for remote connection (source: building an open source habitat control system based on Micropython on ESP32).
@Thibug @geerlingguy A previous rant over a similar issue resulted in the phrase "meat thermometer attack surface". We should never be worrying about the security and privacy implications of connecting a dishwasher to the internet because there is no legitimate reason to connect a dishwasher to the internet.
We live in the stupidest timeline.
@legoraft @geerlingguy I wonder if that puts it out of energystar compliance in the US, because that mode usually exists to get a good energy usage rating.
It probably would affect its efficiency rating in the EU, if you can't run that cycle with the device alone.
@geerlingguy bekko has something similar, but they only require Bluetooth and only if the usual programs are not enough. You get the classics at the turn of a button, and can download custom programs.
But requiring wifi to use the washing machine...or an app....is insane.
@geerlingguy connect to an app to *delay* 😶
“Sorry Jeff, your laundry hasn’t started because our servers were down at that time.”
@geerlingguy *endless internal screaming*
WHY?
Sounds like a job for tcpdump/wireshark to suss out what it's trying to connect to, so you can block those IP addresses in your firewall.
But really, no one should have to do that ...
Setting up a VLAN just for "smart" devices will soon be a necessity – for those who have the know how. Those that don't....
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