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@condret @jwildeboer Oh, I didn't know you are an egoist hating people. Otherwise you would park on a space for cars without blocking anyone, and without shrinking the space for pedestrians or even blocking people in wheelchairs or with strollers, while destroying public infrastructure not made for the weight of your car.
Really funny, since I read your ambulance comment in the way where people park (on the sidewalk) in emergency lanes, at corners or narrow points, where just all lose.
Which is a perversion of jurisdiction in its own right. Of course, when an object is left on the street, it must be legal to photograph it and publish the pictures. It is public space.
Cars are gods.
You are missing the point.
@jwildeboer It's always interesting to me how Germany and the US diverged on this, and for good reasons on both sides.
Germany has good reasons to be concerned about the risks of scanning, profiling, indexing, and categorizing citizens at scale.
America, historically, relied on community policing to enforce laws and norms in circumstances where the centralized authority wasn't strong enough to do so. As a concrete example, income tax records started public because there wasn't a big enough IRS to audit them. If you saw your rich neighbor reported zero income (in the public records), you could drop a dime on them.
I think both approaches are partial, and both have room for growth.
Other car brands use and sell collected information about vehicle owners too.
In most cases, customers react like this -> 🤷♂️, as they supposedly have nothing to hide. They aren‘t the slightest bit aware of the extent of this and aren‘t even interested in it.
@DrVeronikaCH @jwildeboer or make the knowledge where Teslas bear their cams wildly available. So anybody who does not want to be filmed can take action.
Using shaving foam for instance to block the cameras causes no permanent damage and thus should have no legal consequences.
Of course this is only a temporary adhoc "solution" and the situation should be fixed. Just suggesting a hands on approach here.
@ELS @DrVeronikaCH @jwildeboer I also highly recommend getting those liquid chalk markers in case you want to leave a (non permanent) message on a car, which looks pretty much like a permanent.
This shouldn't constitute a demolition of property. However watch your message, so you cannot be punished for it.
Or maybe these stickers?
@jwildeboer every strength is a weakness.
is it possible to overload a tesla camera array with noise, junk, non-visible light? can this lead to an upsetting of the mothership and cascade failure?
@jwildeboer Not that it's much of a difference, but Tesla at least claims that the video feed is only stored locally on the USB-drive. Accessing the live feed from the app uses a direct connection to the car and Tesla (claims it) cannot access the contents.
https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_us/GUID-56703182-8191-4DAE-AF07-2FDC0EB64663.html
Also, Sentry Mode is disabled by default, but one can probably assume that most owners have it activated in public places.
Mozilla foundation did a study a few years back.
2/2 @jwildeboer @mastodonmigration And also, the «sentry mode», as this surveillance is called, is draining the battery, so many owners have it turned off completely. And many are decent enough to have it recognizing that you’re parked at home or at work, setting it automatically to off in those locations so as not to film neighbours and friends.
Not all Tesla owners are AHs. Some of us were just unlucky some years ago to have to compromise in order to get the EV wave rolling. 🙂
Tesla Inc assures its millions of electric car owners that their privacy “is and will always be enormously important to us.” The cameras it builds <a href="https://www.reuters.com/legal/elon-musks-2018-tweet-tesla-union-campaign-illegal-us-court-rules-2023-03-31/" target="_blank">into vehicles</a> to assist driving, it notes on its website, are “designed from the ground up to protect your privacy.”
@jwildeboer afaik this is not actually allowed, and you can cease & desist someone for filming you without informing you about it; but the burden of proof is on you for showing that the material was recorded.
(background: we checked the legality of operating a video doorbell, and found out that it is so difficult to do this legally that we taped the camera shut)