iHuman 
Ethan Marcotte
(muting because the unsolicited browser recommendations are beginning to roll in)
(gentlemen thank you but i have already collected. all the browsers, also opinions thereof)
Don Whiteside
Sashin
Angela "Ge" Ricci
Ed Everett@edeverett @gericci It’s been mine for ages! I just used Chrome for testing, but I can do without.
@beep @edeverett same here. Let's hope Firefox will not fail us
Andreas K
ShadSterling@edeverett @gericci @beep now that Mozilla is claiming unlimited rights to all data entered or uploaded through Firefox, that leaves us with zero acceptable browser engines
@ShadSterling @edeverett @beep I've heard about it 😞 but I haven't seen these use conditions yet. Is it in place for the next version of Firefox?
@gericci @edeverett @beep this might be the post I learned about it from, it does link to the terms: https://infosec.exchange/@mttaggart/114071999359445580
IIRC it applied to the new version released at the same time but not to previous versions, I haven’t tried to follow any changes they may have made to subsequent versions
Taggart :donor: (@[email protected])
Firefox now has Terms of Use! This'll go over like a lead balloon. > You give Mozilla all rights necessary to operate Firefox, including processing data as we describe in the Firefox Privacy Notice, as well as acting on your behalf to help you navigate the internet. When you **upload or input information through Firefox, you hereby grant us a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license to use that information** to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content as you indicate with your use of Firefox. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/legal/terms/firefox/ **Update:** See below in the thread for their clarification.
Krzesław@krzeslaw @edeverett @gericci @beep This is the first I’ve heard of that, but even if that’s true I’m not sure that matters with respect to treating their browser engine as acceptable; they’ve made clear that their intent is to take everything everyone uploads and sell it separately
AlexTECPlayz@ShadSterling This claim is absolutely false and a complete misunderstanding of their TOS. Their snippet that "by using Firefox you grant Mozilla a royalty-free nonexclusive world-wide license to improve your experience" does NOT grant them rights over your content!
This is generic legal boilerplate for "if you use Firefox, we can legally be allowed to let you interact with the browser and we can use your content (locally) to personalize your experience".
This exact boilerplate can and most likely applies to every instance of Fedi under the sun, and every service or application you've ever interacted, and will ever interact with.
@alextecplayz uploading data to a site and through an app are very different things; the terms grant Mozilla rights to posts you enter on a techhub.social page, even if it’s a private message, even though the app should be able to do that without Mozilla ever having a copy of the data. Mozilla can’t need rights to data it never has, but they’re requiring you to grant them anyway.
@ShadSterling This is again a misunderstanding of the legal language. Mozilla doesn't want useless, unnecessary lawsuits, so they're covering their ass with this.
They do not have access to such data, but in the event that someone sues them for it regardless, Mozilla can point to this and their privacy policy to outline what the browser collects and stores on-device, or what is collected and transmitted to Mozilla (e.g. analytics).
The license is required to ensure that Mozilla can legally process and transmit data entered by users through Firefox, even if it does not collect or retain that data. Simple as that.
@alextecplayz nothing needs to be licensed to Mozilla for its app running independently on a user’s device to transmit data. That’s why the overwhelming majority of network apps have no such terms. They did not add these terms for that purpose. They could have put some limits on the right granted, on how or when they can use it, but instead they explicitly specified that there are no such limits. You may trust them to adhere to your expectations, but they have no obligation to
longdark1
(((Klefstadmyr)))
Christopher DeLuca
Jim Nielsen@beep lol, a great story in two parts
Jamie McCarthy@beep Yeah I started reading pi-hole docs last night. I don’t really want to but I guess I need to.
@jamiemccarthy Ugh, I keep meaning to dig into that too. It’s all too danged much.
PhilipMaybe see if you can find a kit to to handle all that much-ness? It *is* a lot, so no shame in not having done it.
Let me tell you though, blocking all the ads in my weather app alone probably makes it worthwhile!
(plus, of course, All the Websites and Telemetry)
https://thepihut.com/products/official-pi-hole-raspberry-pi-4-kit (note: UK plug so you'd need to sort that out)
@jamiemccarthy @beep I got a pihole device last week. It is the best thing ever. It's like I'm browsing in 2004.
notable person@beep time for #librewolf !
Dushman@beep
I just use ungoogled chromium. I used to be a big fan on firefox but it fell off.
I just use ungoogled chromium. I used to be a big fan on firefox but it fell off.
holly, 
@beep a story in two images
🏳️⚧️PepperTheVixen🦯@beep Damn. I didn't even get that. uBlock just disappeared for me with no notice whatsoever along with UIsounds
Sam Izby@beep
Just switch to Brave, Vivaldi or any Firefox-based browser. And uBlock Lite works fine too.
Just switch to Brave, Vivaldi or any Firefox-based browser. And uBlock Lite works fine too.
Bart Louwers@beep You can still enable it.
⬡-49016 
@beep "chrome recommends that you remove it", and by it chrome itself is meant
Ted Spence@beep I ended up switching to UBlock Origin Lite and the results seem to be just as good so far
Rain雨, the Radical Dame~@beep While your at it you might as well just get Linux if you haven't already~ 
Joris Meys
René
DartzIRLI spent so long clicking the black X in the first image that I thought my computer had frozen.
Thanks
RockManJoe@beep well done!
Badger Dad@beep you can still re-enable it, thankfully
Draken BlackKnight@beep
Brave still supports Manifest V2 extensions. You just need to go into the Settings, and you will still be using a Chrome-like browser.
Brave still supports Manifest V2 extensions. You just need to go into the Settings, and you will still be using a Chrome-like browser.