Ethan Marcotte
Angela "Ge" Ricci
Ed Everett@edeverett @gericci It’s been mine for ages! I just used Chrome for testing, but I can do without.
@beep @edeverett same here. Let's hope Firefox will not fail us
Andreas K
ShadSterling@edeverett @gericci @beep now that Mozilla is claiming unlimited rights to all data entered or uploaded through Firefox, that leaves us with zero acceptable browser engines
@ShadSterling @edeverett @beep I've heard about it 😞 but I haven't seen these use conditions yet. Is it in place for the next version of Firefox?
@gericci @edeverett @beep this might be the post I learned about it from, it does link to the terms: https://infosec.exchange/@mttaggart/114071999359445580
IIRC it applied to the new version released at the same time but not to previous versions, I haven’t tried to follow any changes they may have made to subsequent versions
Taggart :donor: (@[email protected])
Firefox now has Terms of Use! This'll go over like a lead balloon. > You give Mozilla all rights necessary to operate Firefox, including processing data as we describe in the Firefox Privacy Notice, as well as acting on your behalf to help you navigate the internet. When you **upload or input information through Firefox, you hereby grant us a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license to use that information** to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content as you indicate with your use of Firefox. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/legal/terms/firefox/ **Update:** See below in the thread for their clarification.
Krzesław@krzeslaw @edeverett @gericci @beep This is the first I’ve heard of that, but even if that’s true I’m not sure that matters with respect to treating their browser engine as acceptable; they’ve made clear that their intent is to take everything everyone uploads and sell it separately
AlexTECPlayz@ShadSterling This claim is absolutely false and a complete misunderstanding of their TOS. Their snippet that "by using Firefox you grant Mozilla a royalty-free nonexclusive world-wide license to improve your experience" does NOT grant them rights over your content!
This is generic legal boilerplate for "if you use Firefox, we can legally be allowed to let you interact with the browser and we can use your content (locally) to personalize your experience".
This exact boilerplate can and most likely applies to every instance of Fedi under the sun, and every service or application you've ever interacted, and will ever interact with.
@alextecplayz uploading data to a site and through an app are very different things; the terms grant Mozilla rights to posts you enter on a techhub.social page, even if it’s a private message, even though the app should be able to do that without Mozilla ever having a copy of the data. Mozilla can’t need rights to data it never has, but they’re requiring you to grant them anyway.
@ShadSterling This is again a misunderstanding of the legal language. Mozilla doesn't want useless, unnecessary lawsuits, so they're covering their ass with this.
They do not have access to such data, but in the event that someone sues them for it regardless, Mozilla can point to this and their privacy policy to outline what the browser collects and stores on-device, or what is collected and transmitted to Mozilla (e.g. analytics).
The license is required to ensure that Mozilla can legally process and transmit data entered by users through Firefox, even if it does not collect or retain that data. Simple as that.
@alextecplayz nothing needs to be licensed to Mozilla for its app running independently on a user’s device to transmit data. That’s why the overwhelming majority of network apps have no such terms. They did not add these terms for that purpose. They could have put some limits on the right granted, on how or when they can use it, but instead they explicitly specified that there are no such limits. You may trust them to adhere to your expectations, but they have no obligation to
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