HinaBeans
Haileynot allowed to watch porn on Firefox anymore
Mozilla have been up to a lot of clown shit lately, but slapping SaaS terms on a piece of software which is distributed to end users, with these kinds of overbearing and categorically inapproriate terms, has to be the clowniest. Fire these lawyers
filipa mv@hailey real gpt moment yolo approve pr shit
Cassandrich@hailey Can't fire 🐈💨
Andres@hailey I don't even get my firefox from mozilla; I get it from debian. So I think I'm still allowed to watch porn?
fraggle@Andres4NY @hailey good news, DFSG clause 6 guarantees your right to watch porn
aspraggEdit: Outdated; AUP removed, see downthread
@fraggle @Andres4NY @hailey #DFSG clause 6 means that any software packaged for #Debian guarantees your right to watch porn. However, if this is now the case, it seems likely to me that new releases of #Firefox will no longer be able to be packaged for Debian.
It also means that Firefox is also no longer #FreeSoftware by the #fsf 's definition, as it no longer meets Freedom 0 - "The freedom to run the program for any purpose".
Sad, sad day. 😢
@aspragg please catch up with recent developments before you spread misinformation
@fraggle Sorry, what did I miss?
Is this not the new Firefox AuP?
Or was it, briefly, and now it's changed again?
There are a lot of replies in the thread, I could have skimmed one or two.
@aspragg yes it has since been updated. But they never changed the license.
Sorry, bit grumpy this morning and didn't mean to take it out on you
@fraggle So, Firefox wasn't being released under a combination of the MPL and the AuP? If the AuP wasn't part of the way the software was licensed to users, what was it's purpose?
And... if the AuP wasn't part of the way Firefox was being licensed, why did the AuP need to be updated at all?
I must have not had enough coffee yet today, this is confusing me more than if seems like it should.
@aspragg an AuP is not a software license. Much of the confusion here comes from exactly this - incompetent lawyers mixing up software licensing ("what you can do with this software on your own computer") with terms of service ("what you're allowed to do with our online service that we run"). To Mozilla's credit they have now recognized this was a mistake and removed references to the AuP
Eugene@hailey I'm glad they removed it because like what? Why the fuck does firefox care if I look at like a cartoon dog person's cock? You're literally an internet browser, bro, you exist to browse the internet!
byte (is having a bad time)@hailey so what exactly are they planning to do if i violate these terms? repossess my browser? write a callout post about me? there is literally nothing they can do to enforce this.
also, i'm not an expert but im pretty sure breaking laws is already illegal. so you probably don't need to put that in your AUP
SysAdmin1138@hailey This is the right take.
rynnan@hailey "Fire these lawyers" means, and correct me if I'm wrong, it's the fault of the lawyers and not something that was wanted by management?
Because to me all this sounds a lot like it wasn't accidental.
:D
milas@hailey sorry you must have missed they said LEGAL in all caps to drive home the point that...California defines selling data as exactly what you'd expect
jacquelines 🌟@hailey we don’t sell your data, but we do share it for commercial reasons
Sabella@hailey it's all been downhill from them making Pocket a plugin you can't remove.
Sciences, Flute 🌍 
@hailey it’s an optional feature but mandatory in our terms! Facepalm
⁂ Fish Id Wardrobe@hailey we don't sell your data in any way that really matters! We still love you, baby, but we really needed that last dose!
Cairo Braga [toot]
eklem@hailey Are they going belly up?
Not paying their bills in time:
cobweb 2026 edition@hailey is this the onion oh boy please let this be the onion
@cobweb i regret to inform this is real life
ocdtrekkie
🏳️🌈🎃🇧🇷Luana🇧🇷🎃🏳️🌈@hailey that’s been a thing for years afaik
cassie
mirabilos@porglezomp @luana @hailey they wrote they expect them to apply to the browser as well.
I want to see how that is supposed to work with a FOSS licence and already asked the Debian packagers about this. /cc @Andres4NY @RichiH for this detail (I Cc’d to d-legal for public archive)
@mirabilos I know they applied it to the browser, I am just clarifying that it is a many years old document written for other purposes which was just suddenly newly applied to the browser, seemingly without reviewing whether it was appropriate for that purpose.
Richard "RichiH" Hartmann@mirabilos @porglezomp @luana @hailey @Andres4NY I haven't looked into this, but my gut feeling is that this will be about Firefox-the-trademarked-name and not about firefox-the-codebase.
Iceweasel was a reaction to other trademark overshoots; I'd prefer not to change my muscle memory yet again, but at the end of the day it doesn't bother me too much
Debian should explore having packages and symlinks in place to avoid last cycle's end user pain, though
@hailey @RichiH @luana @porglezomp @Andres4NY yeah. But ideally an iceweasel without any Mozilla services (including those annoyinng phone-home features on the start, newtab and post-update pages) would be available again.
@mirabilos @hailey @RichiH @luana @porglezomp There's a few different ITPs open for various firefox forks (https://bugs.debian.org/885405 , https://bugs.debian.org/981291 ); I don't know if they'll ever get packaged (and if they even should, given the resources needed from the security team to support them in a stable release), but I could imagine firefox being a symlink to one of multiple forks.
Steven Sandoval@mirabilos @porglezomp @luana @hailey @Andres4NY @RichiH Guh, time to break out the Ice Weasel icon again? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian%E2%80%93Mozilla_trademark_dispute #debian
always tired@mirabilos @porglezomp @luana @hailey @Andres4NY @RichiH I was also thinking about the IP license nonsense for software running on my (or employer's) hw, accessing non Mozilla services...
Jason Bowen 🇺🇦@hailey Sounds like that will be all I use Firefox to do.
/usr/CMDR ░ NOVA :~$@hailey definitely written by ChatGPT, gotta be
2something@cmdr_nova @hailey We learned recently that you can defeat AI by saying the word "fuck." I'm typing "fuck" into Firefox right now.
https://mas.to/@kims/114062885764106597
https://mas.to/@kims/114062885764106597
Kim Scheinberg (@[email protected])
Attached: 2 images I didn't realize how fucking useful the word 'fucking' is for eliminating AI Turns out, it's really fucking useful!
The Long Tail
🌸 Bisexual Flower 🐀this is the logical conclusion of people insisting that apps that allow you to access porn shouldn't be banned from mobile app stores because "i can use my web browser to access the same stuff and it's not being banned"
eva lauren, 🐸☂️@hailey omfg
looks like it’s gone now though — I’m no longer seeing the first half of the sentence which references the acceptable use policy
Larry@hailey
No Marvel Movies?
No Marvel Movies?
supersid@hailey Wow, Firefox really is about to crash and burn
atapi ❤️
Luisf@hailey what the fuck
Techviator@hailey That's it, that's how Firefox dies! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
The Waveform Conglomerate@hailey But I don't use Mozilla's services to upload, download, transmit, display or grant access to porn.
I do however use Mozilla's Firefox browser product to do so.
They're not the same though.
ity [unit X-69] - VIOLENT FUCK@hailey Wait is this real
I can't tell tell if this is real or a joke
pommicket@hailey fwiw they have now removed that https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/legal/terms/firefox/#you-are-responsible-for-the-consequences-of-your-use-of-firefox
@hailey the acceptable use policy begins with "You may not use any of Mozilla’s services to:" (which you have cropped out) , and firefox is not considered a "service", so i don't think they ever intended to say that you had to follow those ruels for your personal use of firefox.
Cat 🐈🥗 (D.Burch) 
@pommicket @hailey Oh it's still there in two places
@catsalad @hailey but the acceptable use policy is just about "Services"; see https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/legal/terms/services/#services does this mean you can't legally use Mozilla VPN to access porn? [or maybe even use firefox sync to keep your password for a porn site???] it sure seems that way (IANAL)? and that sucks. but it still doesn't govern your use of firefox.
jesterchen42@hailey And no news!
Karl Heinz Häsliprinz@hailey Or play Doom
Atom@hailey what are they going to do? ban you from firefox? 💀
Kaizo Hellhound 
@hailey There's a vitally important part left out of this:
You may not use any of Mozilla’s services to upload, download, transmit, display, or grant access to content that includes graphic depictions of sexuality or violence.Firefox is not a "service", but some of its optional features integrate with Mozilla's services, like Firefox Sync or Pocket. Unless they've explicitly said otherwise, this only applies when using Firefox to access Mozilla services.
Schrödiɲger's Enby 
@hailey they for sure walked back the changes to their TOS 
Luka Rubinjoni@hailey About time for a GooningTapyr fork...