Alexis Mousset
Stefano ZacchiroliRepeat after me: if #Firefox stops being maintained, #LibreWolf is not a viable long-term alternative (nor is any other Firefox-based web browser).
Nik | Klampfradler 🎸🚲@zacchiro And that is because…?
SanskritFritzNone of that means that LibreWolf could not possibly become a viable fork that has all that.
mhoye
yoasif
Michael Downey 🧢@zacchiro This is 💯 true.
Also true is that boycotting through a switch to a TOS-free soft fork seems to be just about the only power the broad community has to push back against Mozilla's changes.
Jonah Aragon 
diesch
Walter Tross@zacchiro Forgetting for a moment that LibreWolf has other problems, why should Firefox stop being maintained?
ahoyboyhoy@waltertross @zacchiro financial realities
Stephen@waltertross @zacchiro any more detail on the other issues or do you mind slinging me a link? Cheers
fluffy 💜@zacchiro Correct, but in the interim they're still the only open alternative to Chromium for any sort of alternative HTML implementation. Also if Firefox stops being maintained, hopefully some of the alternative Gecko browsers will take on the task of becoming the maintainers of a Gecko fork.
Meanwhile I definitely have my eye on some of the newer implementations, especially Servo. Ladybird's also interesting although I understand their project lead has some Issues that people are wary of.
Dane 🌎🖖✌️☮️⚛️☸️🕉️@zacchiro I have hope for the Ladybird project. https://ladybird.org
Erland2026 though... And I'm guessing the development has been ongoing for years. Fudge... is browser development that demanding? 😖
Not that I'm complaining. Looking forward to its alpha phase... In the meantime librewolf/waterfox and zen browser is the way to go!
@erlandvisor @zacchiro Keep in mind, they're not making a fork of Firefox or Chromium. They're building this from scratch. A completely new browser. And yeah, it seems pretty demanding.
Yiorgos 
@zacchiro That's sad but true. We developers need to get together and work on building something new
If Firefox stops being maintained some years from now when Mozilla has finished pissing away everything it had, browsers such as Librewolf will need to make major changes such as perhaps using the Servo engine instead.
Some of them will perish, but with any luck there might be one or two survivors.
Kyle Taylor@zacchiro what if we just let Mozilla Foundation go and focus the money left over on infrastructure and actual development of the Firefox browser instead of administrivia? It feels like there are a lot of irons in the fire to make Mozilla Foundation relevant -- chatbots, relay, pocket, VPN? Things that we don't actually want. We really just want a fast browser, small memory footprint, clean UI, advocacy for open standards on the web.
Sashin@zacchiro Could it *become* a hard fork?
Hyde 📷 🖋 
@zacchiro except if a group of volunteers keep pushing forward the development
Uriel Fanelli@zacchiro putting purity before of improvement is a dead end path. Nothing new.
yourgenar@zacchiro
Hello, I found that Phoenix approach with conf files to change Firefox behavior is interesting (there is arkenfox, too). It's not a fork, you do use firefox, but with better privacy settings. And you don't wait for releases.
https://codeberg.org/celenity/Phoenix
On android it's packaged as ironfox and works as well, and a «spiritual» legacy of Divested Mull browser as I understand it
https://gitlab.com/ironfox-oss/IronFox
