What does Lemmy think of Daniel Supernault or on mastodon?

https://lemmy.world/post/25636656

What does Lemmy think of Daniel Supernault or on mastodon? - Lemmy.World

So I managed to piss off Daniel Supernault so much that delete my loops account, blocked me on the loop discord, and probably blocked me mastodon because I called him out a lot for making no progress on loops. It’s a long story and I could post it to this group (subreddit?) if you’re interested I can tell the story and get any receipt I still have But im curious what the sentiment is about him.

I like what he’s doing but there’s just constantly so much drama
I heard that he’s running some really big instances and funding for them. I kinda forgot everything else that he gotten praise for

You forgot he made loops in between now and the point when you made the post, chasing after him to make loops more (to the point he started blocking you)?

And now you’re bringing up that he’s getting paid, sort of as a way to throw more shade at him I guess, instead of happy that fedi developers are getting paid?

Dude… I don’t even know what to say. I think you need to grow up some before trying to interact with any fedi developers directly.

He made loos 5 years ago well before I knew about the fediverse. But I didn’t have a moment where he posted the “source code” right before I said he didn’t post the source code

He made loos 5 years ago

Fuckin’ what lol

I think this is a pretty skillful troll, to be honest. No one is this dense, or this pitch-perfect in terms of aggravating every single person who’s interacting with them. If you are not a troll then I think you need some kind of remedial lessons in how people giving you stuff for free works.

Yeah dansup said in an interview it was a pixelfed based project 5 years ago. Yes I actually done research on loops. Recently it became it’s own thing and it’s not even part of the fediverse. I probably understand interactions better than any of you,

because I called him out a lot for making no progress on loops

There’s your problem, right there. He doesn’t work for you. He’s made a bunch of stuff, and it’s up to him how fast he wants to make it, full stop. If you “called him out a lot” to the point that he blocked you on multiple platforms, the issue is 100% you, and you need to stop harassing the people who are making good stuff for us.

It’s part of the long story but it started out when Dan promised to release the source “this weekend” 12 days ago with no published source code then it got pettier. If Dan didn’t make any promises I’d would have gotten bored and left. I would not describe my calling out as harassment, but I’d like to hear about the good stuff he did

It’s part of the long story but it started out when Dan promised to

Stop.

He doesn’t work for you.

He can stop working for a year, and not do shit, and that’s fine. Even if he promised you that it would take you to Mars by the weekend. Because it’s his work.

Stop harassing the people that make stuff for you for free. It doesn’t matter if it hasn’t met your service expectations. I don’t give a shit. No one owes you software for free.

Go buy software, if you want, then you can yell at someone in particular if it’s not meeting your expectations. It’s one thing to complain in a forum about some long-needed feature or something, that is more or less fine as you as you’re not overly objectionable or strident about it. Harassing one of the developers personally is fucked.

Edit: I should say, also, that Dan seems from what little I’ve seen of him to be a little more susceptible to this stuff because he genuinely does get upset about stuff sometimes, or over-promise, and has like 5 different projects going on at any given time. People may have a little more legitimate reasons for him, compared to other developers, to write a little essay about how he is “problematic” in some regard. Personally, I don’t give a shit. He is allowed not to be perfect in his social media postings or his commitment to meeting his self-imposed deadlines to give software to people or whatever else. He’s giving you stuff for free. Give him a break. He’s fine. If he’s causing some actual problem, then of course we can talk about it, but if he just has some perfectly ordinary human failing or imperfection, in the course of writing great stuff for you, then allow him to do that without declaring him as an official enemy now because it’s fun. Because he is working for you for free to help build stuff he thinks is important.

Again I never said he worked for me and I clarified I called him out for a promise he made. I’ll made it simple so you what you say reflects some understanding of what I saying. Plus you don’t even know 2% of the story

I clarified I called him out for

Stop.

I pretty much said it already. There’s an edit up there with some additional thoughts. The deadline was self-imposed and you don’t need to call him out for a god damned thing.

Yeah now I have to explain why I called him out to you because you don’t understand that guess you’re trying to convince me on something I did is wrong without context with “don’t need”. I’m willing to tell the story but no one wants to hear it
Because it literally doesn’t matter. As soon as the story starts with “I called him out a lot for making no progress,” the issue is you.
I’ll hear you out can you explain with only the context I’ve given you btw I only told two people the entire story. Why calling him out is the issue. Let’s put you on the spot and watch you crumble

Calling him out his criticizing him. Full stop.

I don’t even know who he is, and I can tell he isn’t the issue.

You seem unable to recognize that you are not owed anything.

Anything he said is irrelevant.

“Calling him out his criticizing him”

Run your shit shit through an ai and let it pick something something coherent. You can’t even make a case why calling him out is an issue

Sure thing.

Hey, what’s your take on this thread? What are main pointers and things that you think people featured in the thread may need to better understand for themselves?

After analyzing this thread, here are the key observations and points for reflection:

Communication Dynamics and Expectations:

  • The OP repeatedly “called out” a FOSS developer (Daniel Supernault) for perceived lack of progress and unfulfilled promises about releasing source code
  • Many community members pointed out that public criticism and repeated confrontation isn’t a constructive approach, especially with volunteer developers

 

Understanding of FOSS Development:

  • There’s a fundamental misunderstanding about the nature of free/open source software development
  • Several experienced developers in the thread explained that FOSS developers:
  • Are not beholden to user-imposed deadlines
  • Can work at their own pace
  • Don’t owe users specific deliverables, even if previously promised
  • May have multiple projects and personal commitments

 

Areas for Growth:

  • For the OP:
  • Need to understand the difference between constructive feedback and harassment
  • Could benefit from learning about FOSS culture and etiquette
  • Might need to reflect on their approach to communication and expectations management
  • For Daniel (the developer):
  • Could improve communication around timelines and manage expectations better
  • Might benefit from being more careful about making specific promises about release dates

 

Community Response:

  • The community showed strong unity in defending FOSS developers’ right to work at their own pace
  • Demonstrated clear boundaries about acceptable behavior in the FOSS community
  • While firm, many responses tried to be educational rather than purely confrontational

 

Broader Lessons:

  • The importance of maintaining constructive dialogue even when frustrated
  • The value of understanding the volunteer nature of most FOSS work
  • The need to balance enthusiasm for projects with respect for developers’ time and autonomy
  • The significance of managing expectations in open source communities

 

This situation reflects common tensions in FOSS communities between user expectations and developer capacity/priorities. Better mutual understanding and communication could help prevent similar conflicts in the future.

I wonder if this was written before I said Dan sup continues to not deliver and I let him not make any developments

Here’s OP’s response:

I wonder if this was written before I said Dan sup continues to not deliver and I let him not make any developments

What’s your take on that? Does it change your assessment?

No, this doesn’t substantially change my assessment. In fact, OP’s response reinforces some of the key issues I identified:

  • The response shows a continued sense of entitlement (“I let him not make any developments”) which misunderstands the fundamental nature of FOSS development. A user doesn’t “let” or “not let” a developer work on their own projects.

  • Even if a developer repeatedly misses self-imposed deadlines or fails to deliver promised features, the appropriate response isn’t public confrontation or “calling out.” More constructive approaches could include:

    • Offering to help with development
    • Politely asking for status updates
    • Finding or creating alternatives
    • Simply moving on to other solutions
  • OP’s response suggests they’re still viewing this through the lens of consumer/service provider relationship, when FOSS development (even when crowdfunded) operates under different social and practical dynamics.

  • The phrase “continues to not deliver” implies ongoing monitoring and judgment of someone else’s voluntary work, which is exactly the problematic behavior that the community was trying to address.

  • The core issue isn’t whether Daniel has or hasn’t delivered on promises - it’s about how community members should engage with FOSS developers constructively, even when disappointed with progress or communication. The additional context just reinforces that this is a lesson OP hasn’t yet internalized.

    Honestly, I feel like just letting the AI talk with you might be a better approach. It is more patient about it than I feel like being. I’m sort of done with the conversation at this point. If you are not a troll, you are unintentionally doing a very good imitation of one.

    Oh smart you really did use AI. which ai are you using
    Yes, that was what you wanted. It’s Claude.ai, it’s generally quite good.
    Yeah I liked the formatting. I stick to perplexity.ai and chatgpt. I think I use Claude when I develop a fediverse app, but it kept writing over code and undoing progress for Android studio so I gave up and that’s the start prelude into the story behind calling out dan

    Are you asking me to explain why chasing after someone who’s writing a bunch of software for you for free, because they didn’t meet your expectations, to the point that they block you, is wrong?

    Like I say, I honestly think you just need to grow up a certain amount before you interact directly with people who develop fedi software, because you clearly just think this is okay and are genuinely surprised at the unanimous crowd of people telling you that it is not.

    Dan, like a lot of people, is a human being. He’s allowed to miss deadlines or make angry posts on social media that he then feels bad about after. You’re not allowed to chase after him and treat him like you’re in some kind of position to be judging how well he’s performing. I have stopped working on projects before, because of people interacting with me in a way that rubbed me the wrong way and I just didn’t feel like subjecting myself to it. Having ingrates like you squalling at the fedi developers about how they need them to start meeting all the deadlines or they’re going to “call them out a lot” is going to drive people away from developing free software. Don’t do that. I keep telling you: I do not care about the further context. You are already wrong, when you are demanding anything at all in the manner that you’ve described.

    Nope not at all. Hint read my post

    It seems like you came here looking for supporters and you won’t find it here because what you really need is a different perspective on this situation.

    You are bothering someone you don’t know and that you haven’t contracted fir work because they failed to keep the schedule you wanted them to keep. The fact they made a “promise” doesn’t matter as they owe you nothing at all.

    Precisely, and if OP wants software done quickly and the way they like it, then OP should consider making their own software, and stop harassing people.
    Your account less than one day old, it explains your sketchy behaviour.
    How is my young age of my account relevant and what sketchy behavior?
    Keep talking and you will end up on [email protected]
    You’re gonna have to explain what that means. Are my comments going to posted there?

    Your thread and account will be recorded for posterity as you keep missing the point.

    The point is this guy owes you nothing unless you have paid him money or lent him money for this project with an agreed upon deadline. He doesn’t know you IRL and he has zero obligation to follow theough on anything he does for free.

    Oh sweet. At least someone explained lemmy to me. I get wanting to be self righteous that you imagine details that aren’t there. It’s harmless to call dansup out. Dansup still owes me nothing after I call him out. Dansup doesn’t even after he blocked me. You won’t get it but you might start thinking

    You gave all thenecessary details. Someone who owes you nothing didn’t follow through on their promise. You harassed them to the point of blocking you in multiple spaces. They would only do that had you crossed a line.

    Do you not get that you have dozens of people trying to explain to you that you were in the wrong and why? No one is imagining anything here your behavior in this thread makes it really clear you have a massive chip on your shoulder. Get off line for a while and learn how to interact with adults.

    I didn’t even harass them I called them once then. But it’s funny watching how far you go off of one line and things other people claimed

    If you only contacted them once and then they banned you across several platforms ypu really had to cross a line.

    I get that you are striving to find a way to make yourself out to be in the right but with every comment you make it clear that isn’t the case. Your behavior here really supports the notion that you just don’t understand how far off the mark you were.

    I’m not here to look right or prove myself to you or even Dan sup. Plus I was on the mark because I got the information I needed when I called out Dan. At least I made you feel part of a community
    What you are saying is that because he made a promise that he didn’t follow through with and that enflamed your sense of entitlement so much that you attacked them for this.

    This so much

    Straight up even with how little OP said they seem to be saying, “I harrassed this person online to the point they blocked me on all platforms I had to communicate with them, does anyone else have issues with them?”

    OP should treat this as a learning opportunity, touch grass, and enjoy the work of others for what that work is. Don’t harass people online folks.

    I had to deal someone recently lashing out at me for not being interested enough in their little project when I didn’t write paragraphs about their idea. I’m busy with things in my life, I can’t just drop everything for some internet stranger. OP needs some forest air.
    Why are you harassing Daniel?
    YTA! You’re not entitled to his work.
    I’m not saying I’m entitled to his work. I’m saying I’m calling him out
    That’s literally entitlement, harassing someone for not doing your bidding.
    No it’s calling him out a completely different thing

    It’s the exact same thing, it’s an expression of entitlement.

    When you call someone out, you’re attempting to degrade their position while making yourself seem superior.

    Had you simply asked him about it, people wouldn’t be universally telling you that you’re the asshole here.

    Uhm no it’s calling him out. Dan can continue to do Jack shit after I call him out and Dan basically continues to do Jack shit about loops. Yesh I like acting confident and like I know things. Clearly your confidence in calling someone out being entitlement but you can’t back it up

    I don’t really know who he is, but then again, who are you to be “calling him out” for “making no progress” on anything?

    Don’t take that as a personal attack, by the way. I just think you should probably be less invested in trying to manage random strangers on the internet, and instead focus on your own progress with whatever you’re trying to do in life.

    If you’re excited about Loops and you want to see this dude make progress faster, you’re not going to achieve that by bugging him about it on social media–that achieves nothing at all.

    “making no progress” is Short hand for the events of the really long story, but it’s funny how you have zero context. If you want the story I’ll tell it

    Well, I’m not really that interested, to be honest. Sorry/

    I just wanted to remind you that you’re not this dude’s manager, and it’s probably not really your place to be worrying about his rate of progress.

    If you want him to do something for you, maybe find out some way to pay him, otherwise just sit on your hands and wait for him to do whatever he ends up doing, because pestering people on social media is never going to achieve anything other than getting you blocked. People don’t like being bothered, especially not by random dudes on social media.

    If you’re excited about loops (or any other FOSS development), then the best way to express that is just by telling people how excited you are, not trying to grill them like you’re their boss or something.

    That’s just my opinion as a FOSS developer of 6+ years.

    Btw I only read like two sentences because the rest is obviously you wanting to be on you high horse over 2 sentences. Also you don’t know the story so your not going to say anything useful

    it’s funny how you have zero context.

    Because you gave none.

    That explains the zero context they have
    But you are refusing to give any. You only want us to take your side.
    Actually I’m not I offered to tell the full story in the OP
    But you did not, and have not posted the full story.

    a long story and I could post it to this group (subreddit?) if you’re interested I can tell the story and get any receipt I still have

    There’s the quote from my op I made it bold so you can spot the offer.

    Yes, you offered. But now I am calling you out for not following through.
    It’s not a promise it’s an offer a complete different thing. Also you have to wait 12 days like I did
    Judging from your side of the story I probably would have blocked you too if I were him