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Alan 🏴🇪🇺🏳️🌈Got it! It’s the FBI’s list of what they can subpoena from each “secure” messaging service. (Hint: use Signal) #privacy
Viss@alanfleming i am please that they do not even appear to know wire exists
@Viss They probably do. This is a few years out of date (though better than nothing).
John V🏳️🌈@alanfleming the way things are going there may be things that are legal now that will be illegal in the future. Make sure you have enough of a conversation with someone that if you need to delete messages you still have a normal looking conversation for plausible deniability. The way authorities would see the message would be either social engineering the person or people you are chatting with or by obtaining and unlocking their devices.
Petri Salmela@alanfleming
For some reason I get a warm feeling from the "nerdiness", that they actually responded with timestamps as Unix millis. 😹
https://signal.org/bigbrother/central-california-grand-jury/
Grand jury subpoena for Signal user data, Central District of California
It’s the first half of 2021 – nearly five years since the “first half of 2016” – but in many ways not much has changed. The United Kingdom is still trying to figure out Brexit, another Justin Bieber song hit #1 on the charts (is it too late now to say sorry?), and Signal still doesn’t really know...
Djoerd Hiemstra 🍉@alanfleming Even Bbtter Use a service that's not on the list
@djoerd You mean, use one where we don’t know if they can or can’t get information from (and it’s usually safe to guess they can) over one where we definitely know they can’t? Thanks but no.
Ketakater@alanfleming This lists "LAWFUL access". Fine. But a realistic scenario to worry about today is also UNLAWFUL access by a government agency.
@Ketakater Which is why I didn’t say use Telegram as well as Signal, as everyone knows it’s compromised up the wazzoo.
Apart from that, if they can’t get it lawfully it will take some real effort to get it unlawfully. If that’s the sort of attention you’re drawing you’ve got some bad stuff to be dealing with in real life, most likely.
@alanfleming If I look at Trumpland, I don't have the feeling that getting hold of data unlawfully will take any effort anymore. Democratic or legal containment of powers doesn't mean anything anymore. If Bezos, Zuckerberg and Musk are up Trump's ass he just needs to snap his fingers and they'll wet their pants for the privilege to deliver....
Seán Fenian@alanfleming You have an original-source URL for that?
@zakalwe Unfortuntely not but it’s been doing the rounds a while. Since it appears to be non-secret, if you’re in the USA a FOI to the FBI would be the direct approach :)
@alanfleming I don't see the Freedom of Information Act lasting long under this administration.
bposi@alanfleming threema ist good as well .. if you do not store you phone number.. 🤣
@bposi Why should I use something that the FBI has not said they cannot get information from?
@alanfleming I may not have understood the picture completely .. the quality does not allow to read all details. Sorry... 😉
Laris1. it states that this source is from 2021
2. please upload in higher resolution
3. please use alt-text
Thank you
@laris 1. It does.
2. Do your own research.
So, you post some "raw information" in low quality without providing a source neither when first-posting nor when asked for. You further claim the content of your post as a fact.
I totally get the point, from the pedagogical perspective, in saying "learn something and do your own research", but this does not apply here.
You, Sir, simply did a low quality info dump into the free and public accessible online landscape and now seem to expect everyone else to just believe in what you posted.
Furthermore, considering you found this information that is valuable enough for me to a) take a look, b) think about it, c) itch my 'I want more' nerve and d) encouraging me to reach out to you and ask (not very politely) for your help, you seem to be more qualified in finding that information.
I imagine 200 other people experiencing the same issue I did. You can choose to give us some deeper knowledge in providing higher level of information, a source or at least point us in a usable direction for 'own research'.
Maybe your research took 10 hrs of work, finding and validating the information. For those/us 200 other ppl, it would then maybe take like 20 hrs.
So by simply holding back that information, you cause 20 x 200 = 4000 hrs of work for the audience you addressed your post to.
Considering this, I'd like to kindly ask again for a higher resolution of the given information and add a request to also provide at least two different sources to validate the data.
Thank you in advance.
@laris Don’t over-think this. Look at my previous message. I asked if someone else could remember an image that I had seen in my feed recently, I found it and re-posted it, with one small comment. Anything else is in your head, not mine and as such pointless for me to discuss further.
Luke@alanfleming „legally“
@Luke Of course. But if a government will resort to illegal methods to get your messages, you probably have much worse problems going on than your messages.
@alanfleming yeah that’s true for sure. I just find the usage of legally and lawful on that slide amusing, as it blatantly implies there is a slide with a listing of unlawful access…
James Just James@alanfleming I think this is a bit disingenuous without at least an asterisk about the Google keyboard and translation API which both work with signal.
bigiain@alanfleming Hmmm, I notice the list push notification tokens for Threema, but not Signal? I wonder if @signalapp have some way they can send me push notifications without having a push notification token they could be forced to reveal?
Marco Bresciani
Eleanor Saitta@alanfleming
This predates telegram being willing to cooperate with the police — they can give far more, including full content except in very limited circumstances. They already did, just only to e.g. Iran (documented) and Russia.
This predates telegram being willing to cooperate with the police — they can give far more, including full content except in very limited circumstances. They already did, just only to e.g. Iran (documented) and Russia.
@dymaxion Indeed so. They have been compromised for years.
@alanfleming
I wouldn't say it's compromise if everyone involved has been happy about the situation. But mostly just noting for the benefit of anyone else reading this who doesn't know :-)
I wouldn't say it's compromise if everyone involved has been happy about the situation. But mostly just noting for the benefit of anyone else reading this who doesn't know :-)