There's a type of reply-guy that crawls out of the woodwork when I post anything that might inspire others to take action, and they're deceptively insidious.

Regardless of the topic, they sound like this:

Alice: I don't own a gun because they're for killing and I'm not a fan of killing.
Bob: Then only the bad guys will have guns.

Alice: I deleted my Facebook account.
Bob: If the good people leave then the bad guys win.

Alice: I'm openly queer so others know they're not alone.
Bob: You'll make yourself a target.

In every instance, they defend the shitty state of things by discouraging action and change. It's a reply that is designed to support the default, the current power structure. It's a type of reply meant to de-fang movements.

I've posted about this before, but apparently it bears repeating. Fighting for something takes energy. Change takes sustained energy and momentum. These types of interactions sap energy. They're not posting anything openly disagreeable, they're just dropping little doubt caltrops, little concern anchors—making it harder to keep fighting, harder to gain momentum.

If you're about to jump into a thread and concern troll, don't. I'm fucking sick of it. The rest of us don't have the time or energy to drag your dead weight along.

#ReplyGuys #Concern #Trolling #Change

@alice thank you. All of this.

@alice

God, those guys are the WORST. I just block 'em whenever they pop up now, they don't deserve my time or attention. Let them scream into the void, maybe the void will give a shit about their opinion.

@TinyGamerTris
There's a lot of these guys, and the more privileged we are the more often we are invited to become one.

It's much easier to drive a Tesla or RAM and go "fuck you all, I worked hard for this" than to own up to the unfairness of privilege. Being that jerk without hating oneself requires a critical mass of agreement from the similarly ✌️fortunate✌️.

You're free to block of course, but this movement needs to be resisted actively imho. That's what I'll do.

@alice

@alice When you take action, their inaction appears as compliance and complicity by comparison. 🤷‍♂️
@alice Yeah, that sounds like a Bob thing to do.
@alice not saying the people who often reply this way really mean it, or that they're actively malicious, often they're genuinely just misinformed or whatever

but in saying that... there is a reason the CIA writes about this in their handbooks on how to disenfranchise and squash grassroots movements, it DOES take energy and momentum to sustain positive change, and comments that offer nothing of substance while broadly discouraging action absolutely have a big impact on people and wider movements as a whole, I think this is something most people don't consider very often but it's hugely important to remember
@froge @alice this lives in my head rent free https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGdSLx6WG/
TikTok - Make Your Day

@kim @froge @alice looks like i can't open a tik tok without the app. Oh well...
@alice I report them even if it's not actionable behavior, under the category of whatever status quo oppression it's supporting. I don't expect any immediate action, but establishing paper trail for when they eventually slip up and escalate.

@alice

Favorite way of dealing with this kind of stuff is to say something like: "Simply no time for this kind of nonsense." And if they persistent, block them.

They assume you owe them a reply, but you have no obligation to respond to their stupid BS.

@mastodonmigration @alice My usual approach is to look at their TL. If this is a pattern, I just block without bothering to reply. It seems like many of these "people" just want the responses. No need to support the BS.
@alice thanks for describing that so clearly

@alice

It's a Brandolini's law situation.

"The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than that needed to produce it."

Reply guy responses are the laziest form of communication, not even worth the effort of reply. Totally agreed.

@alice
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"then only the bad guys will have guns."
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- That's how it's supposed to be, you fools, shooting people is bad, it's for bad guys. Good guys are supposed to do SOMETHING ELSE 😜
@punishmenthurts @alice It's also wrong, being based on false premises, that there are "good guys" and "bad guys" (not true, most homicides by firearm are by family and friends), and also that gun control has no effect on the supply of guns to "bad guys" (not true, it makes getting guns for crime harder).

@alice I was half expecting that third one to go:

Alice: I'm openly queer so others know they're not alone.
Bob: If you're openly queer, then only the bad guys will be straight.

@alice

You: "dropping little doubt caltrops"
Bob: "You mean those ninja legos?"

Ok, I'm Bob. I just thought your wording was a really cool phrase.

@alice If you leave those posts in the dark instead of grunt about it, those people will have no attention… Just kidding 😆😅 I couldn't resist to imitate!
@alice Fuckin' hate those guys. They don't like when I respond with "Nah." though.
@alice oh and grats on deleting your FB account
@alice so familiar. I'm reminded of when I was a young art student and I told a classmate that I wanted to make art that would make people's lives better. He said 'who are you to tell people how to live?' which was not my intention at all, but it still knocked me sideways.
@artemis @alice That's weird. How does "doing things to make people's lives better" equate to "telling people how to live"? There's just no necessary connection.
@kauer @alice I know, right? Perhaps there was some sense that I was judging folk? I've forgotten the surrounding discussion as it was a long time ago, but that statement stuck.
@artemis @alice "Who are you to tell people how to live?" says guy telling you how to live.
@artemis @alice I thought people like that only existed on Twitter 🙃
@alice by the way, I don't own a gun and I just closed my Facebook/insta accounts

@alice

I misread caltrops as catpoops which: yeah. That too.

That aside, I feel like this is as an important an insight as "Unsolicited advice is criticism, always." And "Don't harsh someone's squee."

@alice Bezelbob’s advocate

@alice I was reading something about how the "great firewall of China" operates the other day. They don't block criticism of the government, they block anything that starts to mobilise people to action or cause any sort of community sentiment. The article closed with a question of the was this sort of censorship in the west that we don't know about.

I am pondering if this sort of reply guy thing is acting in a similar way to Chinese censorship. That is, squashing community movement before it starts. I also wonder if this is an organised squashing or purely self inflicted by society by accident (but still being leveraged by those with power for sure).

@petherfile @alice The author has simply never heard of COINTELPRO and its successors.
@alice
I learned long ago that there is no downside to blocking people.

@alice My deepest and sincere apologies to you if this is how my comments might have come across.

I'm merely an observer of the chaos to come while voicing true Corporate intentions.

@alice
Ok I'm a guy and I'm replying. I'm sorry you get this shit from others, but I don't own a gun because I'm not an American, I left Faceache about 17 years ago, I'm not gay but I reckon what other people do with their genitals is none of my business. Keep on fighting.
@Janeishly

@alice

Maybe some of them are trying to justify to themselves why they haven't taken action? 😞

@alice I haven't heard the term concern troll, but I like it

It is shitty behavior, since you already know these things, consequences etc

@alice fuck yes i have encountered this so many times but was never able to put my finger on it

@alice This perfectly captures the subtle yet damaging tactics of concern trolling. These "what-aboutism" and "devil's advocate" replies serve as veiled attempts to uphold the status quo by chipping away at the resolve of those striving for change. Every movement faces resistance, but these passive-aggressive interactions can be some of the most draining. Let’s call them out and keep moving forward.

#CallOutConcernTrolls #MomentumMatters #SupportChange #EnergyForAction #NoDeadWeight

@Miguelbrasil @alice IMO it's a pathetic defense mechanism – someone feels called out because someone else is doing something, so they trot out all the excuses they have for inaction.

Others are victims of the information war who haven't realized that their helplessness is constantly encouraged.

When people concern troll me or wet-blanket my plan IRL I hear, "I'm afraid I could never do that because..."

@alice

I so hate that crap... so far, it's been less of an issue here than over on BlueSky which, because of the recent mass eXodus, has resulted in alot of those types of accounts being created.

To their credit, The Blue Butterfly doess have more granular control over such things, but it's still a situation of "eternal vigilance" (wasn't that a Jefferson quote?).

Thanks for drawing attention to it and I'll try and spread the word.

@alice you are so spot on with this. 100% see all those specific responses (and many variations) all the time.
Totally agree about the impact on energy, on hope, on momentum.
@alice totally feel this. We're fed up with how our shift from X was met with DMs of such 'concern'. To instigate change you need to be proactive and aggressive. Proud of you!

@alice I remember from a long time ago I told a co-worker I had been on an anti-war march at the weekend. He very loudly and angrily responded that I was wasting my time, it wouldn’t change anything.

I realised he was angry I was doing something he hadn’t and this made him feel bad.

I understand if people don’t have the time or energy for action (now I’m older I do very little, honestly) but I support people who are out there doing something I’m not.

@alice I get that too (for other things, like avoiding plastic or using federated/XMPP messengers) and I'm not sure how exactly to respond. I suppose there's a sense in "but that's what everyone does" and "what difference is one person going to make?" if you look only at the immediate numbers. But the point of change is that someone has to start somewhere!

And if all the 'Bob's said "okay let's do this" instead I'm pretty sure that'd make a difference already! Maybe that's part of what the picking-up of momentum of a social movement is: an awakening of 'Bob's? 👀
@badri @alice gods my dad used to do this; we’d replace all our plastic bags with paper ones and he’d be like “our county is to small to make a difference why do this!” Aaaa
@Li @alice exactly! And I'm like "think of all the millions of people using the same logic and the difference they *could* have made instead" 😱
@badri @alice to be clear; he’s a person who’s done and said many very very bad things, like I want to make that clear, honestly can I just not call him “dad” its giving too much credit/half-srs

@alice I really hope that's not the only kind you run into, though it sounds like that's the majority. I've run into that on certain other topics... if they wanted an actual discussion, that'd be one thing, but it's a lot of the 'leave a toxic comment and move on' kind of trash.

I find myself jumping into conversations hoping I can be helpful and/or make a friend. All of us could certainly use a few more of those. Hope your day goes better.

@alice regarding Facebook (and X for that matter) their income depends on our eyeballs. We take our attention away and Zuck loses money. It’s the one piece of power we have over him.

I’ve basically quit X for over a year now. I’d like to quit Facebook but it’s the only contact I have with most of my family and they think my encouragement to move to Mastadon and BlueSky is being dramatic.