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Henry BarretoKagi is becoming more and more appealing to me with this crazy AI thing around.
eighthourlunch@henry_barreto @jcrabapple @TheBreadmonkey Even if Kagi promises privacy, I have a hard time trusting that it's 100% guaranteed when using their service requires a subscription and login.
@eighthourlunch @henry_barreto @TheBreadmonkey From their privacy policy:
Searches are anonymous and private to you. Kagi does not log and associate searches with an account.
We do not log or store your IP address. Your IP address is used only temporarily when enriching location/maps searches, and is not shared with any other party.
We only store cookies needed for site functionality.
We do not use any web browser analytics or other frontend telemetry.
We do not display any ads, or have any first-party or third-party tracking in service of ads.
We collect only the data needed to provide and protect the service.
We proxy all images to prevent tracking from third parties.
We use HTTPS encryption everywhere. All passwords are hashed and salted.
Of course, if you don't trust privacy policies or any third parties you can self-host SearXNG or Whoogle.
@eighthourlunch @henry_barreto @TheBreadmonkey they're also adding Privacy Pass integration this month.
meejah@jcrabapple @eighthourlunch @henry_barreto @TheBreadmonkey Ooo, that part (privacy pass) is interesting -- do they have more details on this somewhere?
(This _should_ allow users to prove to Kagi that they have a valid subscription without revealing who they are -- but of course the details are very important here ;)
@meejah @eighthourlunch @henry_barreto @TheBreadmonkey yes that is the goal, but it was just mentioned on their 2024 year end call. There should be more details coming soon.
@jcrabapple @eighthourlunch @henry_barreto @TheBreadmonkey Cool. I've previously worked on a privacy-pass based payment system, so I'm very curious how they're using it here :)
@meejah @eighthourlunch @henry_barreto @TheBreadmonkey here you go:
Kagi End-of-Year Community Event 2024
@jcrabapple @eighthourlunch @henry_barreto @TheBreadmonkey Just watched that segment: super cool!
This sounds ideal, and great use of Privacy Pass. I would still like a few more details (like when they rotate server keys, how many tokens are issued per request, and how those token-issuing requests work).
In any case, the answers to those will only slightly affect what Kagi learns; they will _not_ be able to associate searches to particular users (just that a user is legitimate).
Chris Bussard@jcrabapple @eighthourlunch @henry_barreto @TheBreadmonkey
May have to take a look at Kagi when that lands...
tdped@eighthourlunch @henry_barreto @jcrabapple @TheBreadmonkey that makes me trust them more. That means you are the customer, not advertisers.
@eighthourlunch @henry_barreto @jcrabapple @TheBreadmonkey You can use @brave Search anonymously and for free, it is independent, it doesn't rely on Google like Startpage or on Bing like DDG.
Swift@henry_barreto @jcrabapple @TheBreadmonkey kagi is all about AI. It's funded by the same bros. And it's a US company so there is no real privacy because of us laws.
I was a paying customer until it went big on the AI crap.
The heavy, I felt, promotion of AI and remembering not to add a ? to searches (which triggers an AI summary) annoyed me.
I found this article useful
https://d-shoot.net/kagi.html
But sure, other companies are also bad/worse, and google is dreadful.
Graham Sutherland / Polynomial@henry_barreto @jcrabapple @TheBreadmonkey Kagi is all-in on LLMs. I refuse to give them money on that basis alone. plus the CEO said some pretty questionable shit in interviews recently.
Lilim@gsuberland @henry_barreto @jcrabapple @TheBreadmonkey I'm aware of the LLM thing, but can you elaborate a bit on the "some pretty questionable shit"? 🤔
@Lilim defending promoting nazi extremist shit
The Book of Kels@henry_barreto @jcrabapple @TheBreadmonkey
Hasn't Kagi been trying to introduce "AI" for the past year or so? They were running around talking about how it'll "humanize" searches in April, at least.
Psymo@jcrabapple @TheBreadmonkey the fediverse strikes again. Just had to explore Kagi
Keagan@jcrabapple @TheBreadmonkey How are you finding Kagi? I think I last used it at a previous company for some project, but that was about 2 years ago now.
@governorkeagan @TheBreadmonkey I love it and advocate for it. It's the way a search engine should be. It's like Google when Google was good, but it's private and more customizable.
@jcrabapple @TheBreadmonkey That’s great to hear! I’ve been using DDG for years at this point but I love the idea of customising my search engine (e.g the mastodon toggle you have)
@governorkeagan @TheBreadmonkey *And* you can share your lenses i.e. my Mastodon Lens:
eestileib (she/hers)@jcrabapple @governorkeagan @TheBreadmonkey
Kagi is about as good as Google was ten years ago. I pay for a family subscription to the basic search, have not tried their llm stuff at all.
Their maps are still developing.
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@jcrabapple @TheBreadmonkey wow, this is quite relevant, much better than google. I'm getting good quality results with DDG as well, but some people have been complaining that DDG is as bad for them as Google. I live in Czechie in EU so maybe some of it is regional.