@ascentale @Youngtounces #BikeNite A4. I recently (finally!!) purchased a kickstand for a mountain bike with panniers and loaded, and I found that the kind of kickstand that connects to your rear axle is the most stable. I looked around and the best one seems to be the Greenfield Stabilizer Rear Mount kickstand. That said, I was at a used bicycle store and I bought a different rear mount kickstand (no name) from them, basically a clone but adjustable, and it works great. The Greenfield looks a bit more sturdy, but I'm not going expedition bicycling (yet), just to the store.