Matt
Emily VelascoImagine being the prosecutor who is going to have to find 12 people who haven't had a bad experience with health insurance
Time to mute this post!
Ian Scott 
š@MLE_online for some reason I went to the main page of mastodon.social and your post was there. so yeah :/
warthog9@MLE_online @polpo to be fair, the fact the server didn't fall over is a good sign from a completely ridiculous angle š
@warthog9 at least my post was good for something -- stress testing social.afront
misternineham@MLE_online gonna have to import some canadians
botvolution@MLE_online
I mean, it would be fucking *hilarious* if the prosecution racked up endless, absolutely unarguable evidence for days and weeks, and then the jury came back in twenty minutes with a Not Guilty
I mean, it would be fucking *hilarious* if the prosecution racked up endless, absolutely unarguable evidence for days and weeks, and then the jury came back in twenty minutes with a Not Guilty
jordan
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Jay
ferricoxide@botvolution @MLE_online
Or a nullification.
UK would be "jury equity" (if wikipedia is correct). In typical context, its mention refers to the power juries have to nullify the very laws that a defendant has been charged with (at least in the US).
Or a nullification.
UK would be "jury equity" (if wikipedia is correct). In typical context, its mention refers to the power juries have to nullify the very laws that a defendant has been charged with (at least in the US).
@ferricoxide @botvolution jury nullification does not nullify the law. It's just when a jury knows that someone broke a law and refuses to convict them anyway
@MLE_online @botvolution
As a single incident, yes. With multiple incidents, it creates a defacto repeal.
Would love to see the "if you're party to large numbers of deaths, it's not murder if someone kills you for it" type of carve-out result. That's probably the only way these companies' behaviors actually change.
As a single incident, yes. With multiple incidents, it creates a defacto repeal.
Would love to see the "if you're party to large numbers of deaths, it's not murder if someone kills you for it" type of carve-out result. That's probably the only way these companies' behaviors actually change.
ShadSterling@ferricoxide @MLE_online @botvolution have the defense present how health insurance kills people for profits for a few weeks, then make a case for self-defense
Peter Brown@MLE_online @ferricoxide @botvolution not a concept I was familiar with.
But apparently it has a near equivalent in Scots law as well.
āļæ¼In Scotland, jury nullification had the profound effect of introducing the three-verdict system including the option of "not proven", which remains in Scotland to this day.ā
@peterbrown @MLE_online @botvolution It's enough of a danger that some prosecutors will ask if potential jurors are aware of it during selection and disqualify if a candidate answers yes.
If this guy's lawyer doesn't go for a competency defense, I'd be unsurprised if the DA asked it during selection.
If this guy's lawyer doesn't go for a competency defense, I'd be unsurprised if the DA asked it during selection.
solo@ferricoxide @MLE_online @botvolution you're almost always (subtly) asked if you know what jury nullification is before hand, and if yes not considered a candidate
AlgoCompSynth by znmeb šŗš¦@MLE_online Ever been on a jury?
Anne Ominous
DB Schwein@rustoleumlove @AlgoCompSynth @MLE_online
I have been through jury selection. I see no issue with the OP's statement.
@deirdrebeth @AlgoCompSynth @MLE_online
good for you
but ppl seem totally unaware that it is not whether or not you have been exposed to [insurance] harm.
it's whether the harm renders you impsrtial. lots of ppl will say 'no' to that - they can still sit on a jury. that is clearly stated when they are asking juries questions, they wont disqaulify anyone who has experienced trauma
i've been thru like 20 jury selections bc i lived in baltimore, & we were all crime victims in that city
@rustoleumlove @deirdrebeth @AlgoCompSynth you're right, but of course it's not that simple. People will say no to that question about a lot of things and they end up getting struck from the jury anyway because either the prosecution or the defense doesn't want to take the risk.
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Granted, it was Altoona, but they apparently found a #Judas who was willing to rat for $10K.
Granted, it was Altoona, but they apparently found a #Judas who was willing to rat for $10K.
Patrick Morris Miller@ferricoxide @MLE_online Guess there's a silver coin out there worth $333.33.
Juan PerĀ¢ent,š²š½ š,š»šŖ@MLE_online People should start telling they were with him at the time of the murder. #alibi
Michael Bacon"No jury in the whole country would convict you" is such a trope but good gdmn it might actually be true this time.
Toot Terrorist@MLE_online CEO 1, CEO 2, CEO 3....
Haelwenn /ŃŠ»Š²ŃŠ½/ 
@MLE_online I guess would be easier with expats from parts of EU but even then you'd need to be quite selective.
And aren't jury members at least in theory picked at random?
And aren't jury members at least in theory picked at random?
CM-003 Wintegrity 
@lanodan @MLE_online candidates are selected at random, the attorneys have a say in it though, they can reject people from the jury after questioning them on their biases
@lanodan yeah, I don't think they could issue summons to people specifically because they were living overseas, especially if they don't have any ties to the area where the trial is happening
small, primitive, wingless@MLE_online probably wealthier liberal types who talk big talk about hating Trump without ever really saying anything truly bad about the actual substance and effect of his policies
@MLE_online the sort who, even knowing about all the horrors of US hellth care *and* about jury nullification, would refuse to use it because of Rule Of Law or something
StarkRG@MLE_online It'll have to all be super-rich people.
Brad Rosenheim@MLE_online It will be an all CEO jury...
Konnor Rogers@MLE_online pretty much everyone has at most 2 degrees of separation from cancer alone, never mind other medical problems where health insurance decides to mess with you. Even if they haven't had a bad experience personally, they have a parent, a family member, a friend, somebody. Only thing universal about our health care is how much people hate it.
food in training@MLE_online ā hell nah that'd be rigging the jury. it's supposed to be peers of the accused
smeg@MLE_online it's going to bias the jury so fundamentally that I don't think you could call it a fair trial
No Gods , no Masters! RESIST
draNgNon@MLE_online "bad" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there
Alan Miller 
šŗš¦@MLE_online the focus will instead be on finding people who've barely heard of the case (Trump voters recently seen being stalked by leopards?), then the prosecution working to keep any mention of motives from being introduced.
KanaMauna@MLE_online Itāll probably be easier for the prosecutor to make an offer of reduce charges in exchange for a guilty plea. And since apparently the killer comes from a very wealthy family, itāll probably happen.
jonathankorenā¢@MLE_online thereās always 12 bootlicks
beka valentine@MLE_online @recursive I hope his lawyer makes the case that the widespread nature of that experience means that "trial by his peers" demands at least a proportional number of such people on the jury